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Re: Adobe Edge Web Fonts

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Post by Silhouette »

dgreensp wrote: post #43

Careful, you can't legally serve these fonts with your app, you can only link to them. Am I the only one who finds this a big deal? It means you can't control the uptime of your fonts, and it seems like it would complicate development when you're offline, too. From a business standpoint, it makes perfect sense to turn fonts into a "service" by hyping the hosting aspect. It would be like if jQuery said you can't serve…

I'm not sure I understand where the fonts on that page are coming from. They don't seem to be the serious Adobe professional fonts, many of which are available from font-as-a-service providers at a cost. Rather, they seem to be a lot of familiar things people are already using via Google Web Fonts and other free sources: Arvo, PT Sans, League Gothic, etc. Some (all?) of these are available under quite open licences, so I'm not sure what right Adobe would have to restrict those anyway.

Re: Adobe Edge Web Fonts

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Post by JoshTriplett »

clarkdave wrote: post #13
zalew wrote: post #10

I wonder why they pushed negotiation to the client side instead of doing like google. you need to send this http://use.edgefonts.net/league-gothic.js to your user instead of this http://fonts.googleapis.com/css?family=Source+Code+Pro in order to serve your font, and it won't work with js disabled.

This is similar to how TypeKit serve their fonts. They wrote a blog post explaining their reasoning: http://blog.typekit.com/2011/08/11/better-web-font-loading-w...

That post claims that fonts don't have a fallback mechanism for when a font fails to load, but fonts have had fallbacks for as long as we've had CSS:

    font-family: "Obscure Font", "Common Font", sans-serif;

Re: Adobe Edge Web Fonts

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Post by Silhouette »

digitalengineer wrote: post #30
kibwen wrote: post #22

"In addition, Adobe will be applying its considerable font expertise to improving and optimizing a number of the open source fonts that are available in both Google Web Fonts and Edge Web Fonts. The teams from Typekit, Adobe Type, and Google Web Fonts are working to identify which fonts will benefit the most from our attention, and how we can best approach improving their rendering and performance." Helping to improv…

Back in the day they did fight Fontshop in court to make it possible to embed fonts (in PDF-files). Today there are still fontdesigners that charge an extra fee if you use theirfonts in things like Flash. Or just forbid it. Yeah, I'm looking atyou HouseIndustries...

I find Adobe remarkably inconsistent. The people behind their most famous product line, Creative Suite, seem to consistently produce poor quality software full of awkward limitations and oversights backed by terrible customer support, whose only redeeming feature is that since they basically killed off or bought all of the serious competition years ago everyone else's software is actually worse.

On the other hand, Adobe's typography people seem to be consistently good at producing high quality work, selling it at reasonable prices, and offering it on reasonable terms. Consequently, probably 90% of the money I've spent on serious fonts over the years has gone to Adobe, because they blow away the the-90s-called-they-want-their-printers-back silliness of certain other well known foundries, who either haven't noticed that we use fonts more on-screen than in print these days or who shamelessly advertise one price when the actual price to buy a useful product is presumably higher (presumably, because they never seem to tell you how much those extra permissions will actually cost).

Re: Adobe Edge Web Fonts

#54

Post by mesh »

nostromo wrote: post #9

Adobe really needs to drop the corporate marketer talk. "Adobe Edge Tools & Services: New tools and services for a beautiful, modern web." "Edge Web Fonts is conveniently built into Edge Code today and will be available in Edge Reflow and other Edge Tools & Services soon." I'm reading all this and I still have no idea what Edge is or why I should care. A much more informative link for the HN audience is this: http://…

From that page:

-- Edge Web Fonts gives you access to a vast web font library made possible by contributions from Adobe, Google, and designers around the world. The fonts are served by Typekit, so you can be sure of high performance and stability. Plus, it’s free! --

Re: Adobe Edge Web Fonts

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Post by tomelders »

I no longer trust, nor like Adobe. And I don't think I ever will again. I genuinely want to see them fail in everything they do and I care not one jot for the men and women who work there or their families. I root for Pixelmator, I salute Apple's stance on flash and even wanted Silverlight to give Adobe a run for it's money.

There is a point to this rant. I have used Adobe products my entire working life. I loved Adobe and the products they made. But now...? I am what happens when you treat your users like shit, and everyone else like idiots.

Fortunatly for me, my inflated opinion and militant outlook is made more tenable when they keep releasing turds like this.

Re: Adobe Edge Web Fonts

#56

Post by adamkiss »

gokhan wrote: post #32

Sad that they don't support international characters (or at least not the full character set of the language we use here). Fonts provided by Google are better in character range coverage. Anyway, thanks Adobe.

I thought so as well first time, but it seems they do, see 'subset' section here: http://www.edgefonts.com/#url-specification

Also: http://jsfiddle.net/6zUQu/1/

It seems that only the example on their site includes 'default' character set. Note that, though, sadly not all fonts have different than latin-1, or partial latin-1-ext.

Re: Adobe Edge Web Fonts

#57

Post by daeken »

tomelders wrote: post #55

I no longer trust, nor like Adobe. And I don't think I ever will again. I genuinely want to see them fail in everything they do and I care not one jot for the men and women who work there or their families. I root for Pixelmator, I salute Apple's stance on flash and even wanted Silverlight to give Adobe a run for it's money. There is a point to this rant. I have used Adobe products my entire working life. I loved Ado…

Sorry, but no, there was no point to that rant. I'm no Adobe fan either, but your comment adds no value; it isn't a specific criticism, just being angry. If you dislike them, just don't use their products and move on.

Re: Adobe Edge Web Fonts

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Post by [deleted] »

Silhouette wrote: post #53
digitalengineer wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Back in the day they did fight Fontshop in court to make it possible to embed fonts (in PDF-files). Today there are still fontdesigners that charge an extra fee if you use theirfonts in things like Flash. Or just forbid it. Yeah, I'm looking atyou HouseIndustries...

I find Adobe remarkably inconsistent. The people behind their most famous product line, Creative Suite, seem to consistently produce poor quality software full of awkward limitations and oversights backed by terrible customer support, whose only redeeming feature is that since they basically killed off or bought all of the serious competition years ago everyone else's software is actually worse. On the other hand, Ad…

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Re: Adobe Edge Web Fonts

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Post by dholowiski »

cpeterso wrote: post #36
loceng wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They want to appeal to bosses who will tell the developers to use it..

Yes. Managers, not developers, are Adobe's customers.

I'm not a boss but I showed my developer could workers and he couldn't figure it out.
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