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Post by DonHopkins »

engineer_22 wrote: post #916
DonHopkins wrote: post #766

Maybe Musk shouldn't have tweeted (then deleted) the obvious fact that Trump is on the Epstein list. Makes you wonder, since Musk knew Trump is a pedo all along (and he loves calling people out as "pedo guy"), why did he invest so much money, time, reputation, ketamine, and Nazi salutes into getting Trump elected, then cowardly retract one of the only true things he ever tweeted, just to support the coverup instead o…

just thinking epistemologically, if everything else Musk says is a lie, how do you know the epstein tweet is true?

We know it's true because he deleted the tweet.

How about releasing the Epstein files so we can all find out for sure? Or do you have a problem with that, and want to protect pedos just like Mike Johnson and Trump do? Charlie Kirk certainly wanted the Epstein files to be released, and look what happened to him.

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Post by underlipton »

nxor wrote: post #567
underlipton wrote: post #492

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Space and the moon were so important that we famously put black female mathematicians on the job in the waning years of Jim Crow. The current admin is dismantling not just so-called DEI, but decades of civil rights protections that ultimately allowed things like SGI's 3D rendering pipeline to exist. This is just one of the myriad ways that America is not in any way serious about a task as monumental as reaching Mars…

Because the protections get abused. See college admissions.

Legacy admissions.

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Post by renewiltord »

hollerith wrote: post #456
testing22321 wrote: post #440

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SpaceX and to a much lesser extent Tesla are good examples. Excluding those for a minute, what else does the US have world-leading manufacturing of? Semiconductors? Nope. High speed rail? Nope. Auto industry? Nope. Major infrastructure projects like bridges, tunnels, airports, etc? Nope. Electronics (phones/laptops/etc)? Nope. ????? The US is not exactly a manufacturing powerhouse.

The production of cutting-edge semiconductors requires a global supply chain. The US's main contribution to that supply chain is (very expensive) software required in the design of an IC. The US is second in manufacturing and far ahead of numbers 3 and 4 (Germany and Japan IIRC).

> The US's main contribution to that supply chain is (very expensive) software required in the design of an IC.

EUV tech is from American universities, licensed by choice by the US Government. In a world where Nikon was a much smaller optics player, they'd be the ones building EUV machines, and we'd be pretending Japan was the source of this tech.

The US's main contribution is doing the research required to make this whole thing possible.

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Post by ninetyninenine »

allenrb wrote: post #373

There is just so much wrong with this from start to finish. Here are a few things, by no means inclusive: 1. We’ve already beaten China to the moon by 56 years, 3 months, and some change. And counting. 2. Nothing based around SLS is remotely serious. The cost and timeline of doing anything with it are unreasonable. It is an absolute dead-end. The SpaceX Super Heavy has been more capable arguably as early as the secon…

Going to the moon is a symbol. It’s symbolic to China being better if China gets there first. It is the only reason why we want to go. There is no one else who can do it except for spacex, it’s likely he’s just applying pressure onto spacex.

Is it a valid reason? Depends on how prideful you are. Are you proud to be an American and are you proud to be the greatest economic super power on the planet?

For me it’s not valid. I don’t hold any pride about any country even though I’m American. Pride is a form of emotional bias.

If China becomes better, which is a highly likely possibility. The symbol of this being better is irrelevant.

In fact arguably China is already better than us in many ways.

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Post by renewiltord »

roody15 wrote: post #848

This makes me think of Intels decline over the last decade or so. It feels to me like a canary in a coal mine. Perhaps of a failing in the US system as a whole. It is possible we are not quite the world leader we once were, despite bailouts, despite legislation like the CHIPS act, despite a CEO dedicated to a roadmap to regain technical superiority … maybe we cannot win this race. Have we reached a point where managi…

Wealth equality is not a desirable goal. Optimizing absolute standards of living is a much better target and inevitably allows for some people to have better lives than others. This obsession with other people's things has always been known to be a societal detriment. Exodus 20:17

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

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Post by intrikate »

deadbabe wrote: post #865
allenrb wrote: post #373

There is just so much wrong with this from start to finish. Here are a few things, by no means inclusive: 1. We’ve already beaten China to the moon by 56 years, 3 months, and some change. And counting. 2. Nothing based around SLS is remotely serious. The cost and timeline of doing anything with it are unreasonable. It is an absolute dead-end. The SpaceX Super Heavy has been more capable arguably as early as the secon…

We can build a data center there. Off world file storage.

A truly interplanetary file system, lmao

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Post by nmeofthestate »

dev1ycan wrote: post #829

Starship was the big scam, Elon sold a lot and in the end it became clear over time that really the entire point of Starship was never Mars, or even the Moon... or Space Tourism, a different type of vehicle would have probably been better for that, it's about reducing the cost of launch missions to maximize profit and take out the primary source of income of competing players so they can have a monopoly of space. Are…

> it's about reducing the cost of launch missions to maximize profit and take out the primary source of income of competing players so they can have a monopoly of space.

Diabolical stuff.

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Post by etchalon »

kranke155 wrote: post #828
rayiner wrote: post #587

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My first job out of law school was at a 176 year old law firm. New lawyers were socialized to identify with the past achievements of the firm, like helping J.P. Morgan build the railroads. There was a good reason for that: it socializes people to adhere to a culture and practices that have proven to be effective. You’re right that, if overdone, it can lead to complacency. But if you treat every generation as a blank…

The first thing Steve Jobs did when he arrived back at Apple is he got rid of the little “Apple museum” they had in the building. A bunch of old machines. I believe he thought Apple shouldn’t live off its past.

He just canceled the project, at a time when Apple was hemorrhaging money. It didn't already exist. It was going to exist.

He killed a lot of things to save Apple.

I wouldn't read too much into it.

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Post by jdsully »

kranke155 wrote: post #828
rayiner wrote: post #587

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My first job out of law school was at a 176 year old law firm. New lawyers were socialized to identify with the past achievements of the firm, like helping J.P. Morgan build the railroads. There was a good reason for that: it socializes people to adhere to a culture and practices that have proven to be effective. You’re right that, if overdone, it can lead to complacency. But if you treat every generation as a blank…

The first thing Steve Jobs did when he arrived back at Apple is he got rid of the little “Apple museum” they had in the building. A bunch of old machines. I believe he thought Apple shouldn’t live off its past.

Apple was failing so their current culture wasn't working and should not be passed on. He wanted a clean break. Plus Apple's past experience was traumatic for him personally. Even if they had been successful without him he'd not want the reminder for that reason alone.

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Post by ninetyninenine »

mlrtime wrote: post #823
safety1st wrote: post #777

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This gets back to why there is a "we need to start making things in America again" sentiment. We made a national policy decision and underwent an economic transformation based on financialization and globalization. Kept the design and services aspects of our greatest companies in the US but the nuts and bolts of manufacturing and assembly went overseas, relying on patents and IP law to control production from afar. T…

100% Agree and it would never happen if not for some major changes. People want their cheap stuff made somewhere else.

You realize this statement is outdated. China is no longer cheap. They make stuff now because no one else can make them. Not a joke, and not trying to attack. This is the literal reality. Take a look at Tim Cook saying this:

https://youtu.be/L9f5SQQKr5o?feature=shared

Like this isn’t just manufacturing. If you go to China if you visit the tier one and tier two cities they look and feel Like cities of the future. You can’t even compare with US cities. One Chinese friend of mine visiting Los Angeles told me he didn’t realize that los Angeles was the country side.

He says it because The country side of China is literally just like Los Angeles. He’s talking about the backwardness and level of tech and density of the population.

https://youtu.be/AJ6a2vpLxGA?si=k7n9ibMlV6fIeNgz

This all happened in the last decade so it’s not surprising to see people who don’t get it. It’s a total paradigm shift in the balance of power.

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