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NASA chief suggests SpaceX may be booted from moon mission

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Re: NASA chief suggests SpaceX may be booted from moon mission

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Post by Stevvo »

allenrb wrote: post #373

There is just so much wrong with this from start to finish. Here are a few things, by no means inclusive: 1. We’ve already beaten China to the moon by 56 years, 3 months, and some change. And counting. 2. Nothing based around SLS is remotely serious. The cost and timeline of doing anything with it are unreasonable. It is an absolute dead-end. The SpaceX Super Heavy has been more capable arguably as early as the secon…

2) Artemis II is sitting on the pad ready to go. It will launch in a few months. But actually it's not relevant; the article makes no mention of SLS. There is suggestion of SLS getting the contract.

SpaceX doesn't even have a timeline for Starship; they have no idea when it will be ready, but the one thing that is clear is it wont be ready to take humans to the moon in 2027.

Re: NASA chief suggests SpaceX may be booted from moon mission

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Post by duskwuff »

gnarlouse wrote: post #412
cladopa wrote: post #224

Oh yeah. Replace the stainless steel by carbon fibre, give it to your pals of Boing and instead of being ready in 2030 for 2.3 billion it will be ready in 2050 for 50 billion. Much better for making your friends rich.

BOING!? new insult unlocked.

It's the sound their jets make when...

Re: NASA chief suggests SpaceX may be booted from moon mission

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Post by heavyset_go »

bluGill wrote: post #450
testing22321 wrote: post #437

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We’ve already beaten China to the moon by 56 years, 3 months, and some change. And counting Of course, but there a few things to consider. 1. This is a new race. The olympics happen every four years to see which nation is the current best. It seems it’s time to find out again. 2. The last time the US was dominant was 56 years ago. That’s three generations. Based on SLS and the comments here, it seems extremely unli…

What is the point of winning though? We could be doing other things in stead, and I'm going to submit that they are more valuable (you are of course welcome to disagree - this is an opinion). Personally I hope no human lands on the moon again. I like telling my parents they are so old humans walked on the moon in their lifetime (last human left the moon December 1972 - before I was born). There is no value in this st…

The electronics we're typing these comments on were only rapidly miniaturized originally to be small and light enough to shoot into space.

There are second, third, etc order effects to things like a space race.

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Post by dghlsakjg »

bahmboo wrote: post #227

"The president and I want to get to the moon in this president's term" - Sean Duffy NASA administrator. A scary way to set a schedule on a complex project with lives at stake. They don't care though.

There was an arbitrary deadline the first time we did it, and it arguably helped it happen.

Artemis is projected to take longer than Apollo, unless, well, they land on the moon before Trump leaves office.

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Post by UltraSane »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #331
jm4 wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The silver lining is that they are operating under the assumption that he will leave office at the conclusion of his term.

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Ain't gonna happen. It would actually trigger a civil war.

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Post by UltraSane »

Spooky23 wrote: post #417
cyberge99 wrote: post #345

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Which will backfire spectacularly when Obama is re-elected.

You can’t get elected if you don’t count the votes. That requires a joint session of congress. If due to an unprecedented emergency the congress cannot come into session there’s no clear rule what happens. Any number of emergent events may create an emergency preventing the congress from gathering. The congress are collaborators and the Supreme Court is compromised.

That would trigger a real civil war.

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Post by dghlsakjg »

jjk166 wrote: post #413
phkahler wrote: post #288

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Not only that, he wanted to go to the moon before the end of the decade. They made it within that time.

Which is kind of the key point - Kennedy's deadline was a realistic one based on the technical difficulty of the challenge.

Artemis is scheduled to take longer than Apollo.

We are in year 8 of Artemis. In year 8 of Apollo there were multiple manned missions including one that went to the moon but did not land.

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Post by zzrrt »

Spooky23 wrote: post #417
cyberge99 wrote: post #345

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which will backfire spectacularly when Obama is re-elected.

You can’t get elected if you don’t count the votes. That requires a joint session of congress. If due to an unprecedented emergency the congress cannot come into session there’s no clear rule what happens. Any number of emergent events may create an emergency preventing the congress from gathering. The congress are collaborators and the Supreme Court is compromised.

Trump was giddy at that Zelenskiy meeting a few months ago, when he heard elections were suspended in Ukraine due to the war. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/bvUBtdHw3g4 Said something like "So, if in 3.5 years, we are in a war... no more elections. Oh, that's good."

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Post by itsnowandnever »

Waterluvian wrote: post #442
allenrb wrote: post #373

There is just so much wrong with this from start to finish. Here are a few things, by no means inclusive: 1. We’ve already beaten China to the moon by 56 years, 3 months, and some change. And counting. 2. Nothing based around SLS is remotely serious. The cost and timeline of doing anything with it are unreasonable. It is an absolute dead-end. The SpaceX Super Heavy has been more capable arguably as early as the secon…

Re: 1. I think the America of Theseus mindset is a bit troubling. A lot of people like to identify with achievements that they played no role in. Based on zero expertise whatsoever, I have a sense that this is a bit self defeating. To be born a winner, to be taught you’re a winner… how can that be healthy? Today’s America scores zero points for its accomplishments of the past. But I think one way it can be a good thi…

100% - given the resources we have, America is far underperforming at the moment
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