Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

NASA chief suggests SpaceX may be booted from moon mission

cnn.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

291–300 of 1001 posts

Re: NASA chief suggests SpaceX may be booted from moon mission

#291

Post by caconym_ »

thegrim33 wrote: post #252
bahmboo wrote: post #227

"The president and I want to get to the moon in this president's term" - Sean Duffy NASA administrator. A scary way to set a schedule on a complex project with lives at stake. They don't care though.

The Artemis plan was originally to return to moon by 2024, and the first crewed flight is still planned for next year, so it seems entirely reasonable for a President that's in office from 2024 and 2028 to want it to actually happen within that time frame. Since, you know, that's been the established and agreed upon plan for nearly a decade now.

2024 was never considered remotely realistic by anybody in the "industry"---it was a purely political deadline and the will/funding was not there to achieve it.

Today (AFAIK) 2028 is considered quite aggressive, mostly due to the lack of progress on Starship, and the facts driving that conclusion are not any more amenable to change via political pressure than they were last time.

Re: NASA chief suggests SpaceX may be booted from moon mission

#292

Post by lucketone »

dylan604 wrote: post #229
testing22321 wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon just said starship will do the entire moon mission: “Starship will end up doing the whole Moon mission. Mark my words.” To address your question, what is the incentive for going to Mars

>To address your question, what is the incentive for going to Mars To occupy it. Just look at Musk's t-shirt. Isn't the entire point of SpaceX to go to Mars? Everything else they do is just steps in achieving the occupation of Mars.

People believing that helps to keep stock prices and Mr Elon high.

Re: NASA chief suggests SpaceX may be booted from moon mission

#293

Post by echelon »

bahmboo wrote: post #242
WalterBright wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a deadline is how things get done. With no deadline, nothing gets accomplished.

This is a political deadline with no grounding in reality.

I feel like that attitude has kept us on earth all this time.

We let people do stupid shit and kill themselves all the time. Driving 80+ MPH, driving motorcycles, recreational drugs, alcohol, climbing Everest, etc.

I think it's fine. If I were in the position, I'd sign up to do this.

The moon is meaningful.

Re: NASA chief suggests SpaceX may be booted from moon mission

#294

Post by phkahler »

teekert wrote: post #266

Why does this sounds so... Entitled? NASA regresses so far that they are now unable to do anything by themselves... Now suddenly there is a new moon race and they start pointing to a public company that is not sticking to a schedule. A company that does some impressive things, and has helped them out (probably not out of the goodness of their hearts, but hey), and is doing things they could not. I would be an adult a…

>> I'm afraid Elon is about to give them the finger and drive around on the moon by himself, two fingers pointing at NASA head quarters.

I don't think Elon cares much about going to the moon. It would probably delay the Mars mission to devote resources to a moon mission.

Re: NASA chief suggests SpaceX may be booted from moon mission

#295

Post by chrisco255 »

bahmboo wrote: post #242
WalterBright wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a deadline is how things get done. With no deadline, nothing gets accomplished.

This is a political deadline with no grounding in reality.

This is preferable to "we'll go back again maybe one day 5 decades from now, if we get around to it"

Re: NASA chief suggests SpaceX may be booted from moon mission

#297

Post by coldpie »

dylan604 wrote: post #229
testing22321 wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon just said starship will do the entire moon mission: “Starship will end up doing the whole Moon mission. Mark my words.” To address your question, what is the incentive for going to Mars

>To address your question, what is the incentive for going to Mars To occupy it. Just look at Musk's t-shirt. Isn't the entire point of SpaceX to go to Mars? Everything else they do is just steps in achieving the occupation of Mars.

> Isn't the entire point of SpaceX to go to Mars?

What? No, it is to concentrate public wealth into the hands of one man.

Re: NASA chief suggests SpaceX may be booted from moon mission

#298

Post by b00ty4breakfast »

dragontamer wrote: post #256
WalterBright wrote: post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a deadline is how things get done. With no deadline, nothing gets accomplished.

The Moon directive was set by Donald Trump in 2017. This is just the same deadline being pushed another year because of failures. Deadlines that get constantly pushed aren't deadlines at all. As I recall, SpaceX and Artemis project was supposed to be Moon by 2024. At least originally. But then SpaceX blew up all the rockets (successfully testing them or something) and now we've wasted damn near a decade.

Any project even a quarter as complex as a manned lunar mission going to run into problems and failures and unforeseen complications (just ask anyone who's ever done any home renovation). Things go over budget, deadlines are missed, stuff doesn't work out the way you'd envisioned. This isn't always somebody's fault or the result of poor planning (though they can be).

Yeah, we've been there already, but it's been many decades and we haven't exactly kept all the tech and procedures up to date in the intervening years. And that first go-round itself missed it's intended deadline by about 7-8 years.

Re: NASA chief suggests SpaceX may be booted from moon mission

#299

Post by [deleted] »

hermitcrab wrote: post #221
testing22321 wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon just said starship will do the entire moon mission: “Starship will end up doing the whole Moon mission. Mark my words.” To address your question, what is the incentive for going to Mars

And he is super well known for making accurate predictions of the future.

[deleted]

Re: NASA chief suggests SpaceX may be booted from moon mission

#300

Post by boringg »

phkahler wrote: post #294
teekert wrote: post #266

Why does this sounds so... Entitled? NASA regresses so far that they are now unable to do anything by themselves... Now suddenly there is a new moon race and they start pointing to a public company that is not sticking to a schedule. A company that does some impressive things, and has helped them out (probably not out of the goodness of their hearts, but hey), and is doing things they could not. I would be an adult a…

>> I'm afraid Elon is about to give them the finger and drive around on the moon by himself, two fingers pointing at NASA head quarters. I don't think Elon cares much about going to the moon. It would probably delay the Mars mission to devote resources to a moon mission.

Unless he gets a lucrative mining contract
Post reply on HN