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NASA chief suggests SpaceX may be booted from moon mission

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Re: NASA chief suggests SpaceX may be booted from moon mission

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Is this realistic? Doesn't the development timelines for a new large rocket stretch into more than a decade? Unless someone else had one under development... Could this just be a pressure tactic on SpaceX?

Sir! Elon has responded to our pressure tactic. Your interview seems to have had an effect. "Well - what did he say?" It's better if you see for yourself.

GIF reply "why are you gae" (this was his actual response btw)

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Having a deadline is how things get done. With no deadline, nothing gets accomplished.

This is a political deadline with no grounding in reality.

Precisely. Trump wants to put his name on things for the history books.

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Is starship on schedule?

I have never seen even a software project on schedule, including all of mine and everything I encountered in the academia. Building new things is genuinely hard. But I have seen some serious, albeit delayed, successes.

On budget is also rare.

Humans are relentlessly overoptimistic in their planning, and that's likely because if we weren't we often wouldn't even start... plus, the future is really, really hard to predict.

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"The president and I want to get to the moon in this president's term" - Sean Duffy NASA administrator. A scary way to set a schedule on a complex project with lives at stake. They don't care though.

The Artemis plan was originally to return to moon by 2024, and the first crewed flight is still planned for next year, so it seems entirely reasonable for a President that's in office from 2024 and 2028 to want it to actually happen within that time frame. Since, you know, that's been the established and agreed upon plan for nearly a decade now.

Are they going to give nasa the money to actually do it though?

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Oh yeah. Replace the stainless steel by carbon fibre, give it to your pals of Boing and instead of being ready in 2030 for 2.3 billion it will be ready in 2050 for 50 billion. Much better for making your friends rich.

Space X isn't much better. Its still Musks company.

Re: NASA chief suggests SpaceX may be booted from moon mission

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Why does this sounds so... Entitled? NASA regresses so far that they are now unable to do anything by themselves... Now suddenly there is a new moon race and they start pointing to a public company that is not sticking to a schedule. A company that does some impressive things, and has helped them out (probably not out of the goodness of their hearts, but hey), and is doing things they could not.

I would be an adult about it and respond reasonable, perhaps even ask NASA for help, publicly. I'm afraid Elon is about to give them the finger and drive around on the moon by himself, two fingers pointing at NASA head quarters. I would smile about that a bit, I admit.

Re: NASA chief suggests SpaceX may be booted from moon mission

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a deadline is how things get done. With no deadline, nothing gets accomplished.

This is a political deadline with no grounding in reality.

JFK proposed we go to the Moon in 1962. We did it in 1969, 7 years later.

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Why does this sounds so... Entitled? NASA regresses so far that they are now unable to do anything by themselves... Now suddenly there is a new moon race and they start pointing to a public company that is not sticking to a schedule. A company that does some impressive things, and has helped them out (probably not out of the goodness of their hearts, but hey), and is doing things they could not. I would be an adult a…

> probably not out of the goodness of their hearts, but hey

It's a terrible idea to rely on this. Why would you want people to work this way when you can just have a regular-person financial transaction that aligns your interests?

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Can we actually? And I mean in any reasonable time frame say 100 years? And by self-sustaining I take fully independent from Earth supply chain for absolutely everything. A civilization that could continue existing without single delivery for Earth.

We have to start at some point don't we?

Many including myself would say we do not have to. And even we really should not.
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