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Dear Canonical: please let me pay for Ubuntu

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Re: Dear Canonical: please let me pay for Ubuntu

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I think Kilo Dalton's comment pretty much sums it up: > 1) make a donation > 2) sudo apt-get remove unity-lens-shopping > 3) grab a tasty beverage

I laughed at that comment and reply by the author. I have always wished that Ubuntu had an extra installation layer were we could choose what software to install and what not to install.

Re: Dear Canonical: please let me pay for Ubuntu

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Already exists: http://www.ubuntu.com/community/get-involved/donate

Or http://www.ubuntu.com/business/desktop#services if you want to make it a truly commercial relationship.

This wouldn't really work for a simple desktop user, seems like doing IT-department friendly crippled releases. Otherwise I was actually considering it...

Re: Dear Canonical: please let me pay for Ubuntu

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Honestly, what I get from your comment is that you don't like ads. If you don't like them, don't click them: problem solved. I have to grant you that Ubuntu hardware would be awesome but I'm afraid that it might create an incentive to drop support for non-Ubuntu hardware.

"If you don't like them, don't click them" is a terrible solution, because I don't even want to see them . Is it so wrong that I don't want "free" things if that means I'm the product and not the customer? Is that really such a hard market opportunity to exploit? I'd rather pay money to not see them. Problem solved.

There's nothing wrong with that but I do think it would be a much harder market opportunity to exploit. You are definitely in a minority. Also, just a nitpick but if you don't click ads you are not a product since Amazon doesn't buy products who merely view its ads.

Re: Dear Canonical: please let me pay for Ubuntu

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"If you don't like them, don't click them" is a terrible solution, because I don't even want to see them . Is it so wrong that I don't want "free" things if that means I'm the product and not the customer? Is that really such a hard market opportunity to exploit? I'd rather pay money to not see them. Problem solved.

There's nothing wrong with that but I do think it would be a much harder market opportunity to exploit. You are definitely in a minority. Also, just a nitpick but if you don't click ads you are not a product since Amazon doesn't buy products who merely view its ads.

And yet, look at Apple's profits.

Re: Dear Canonical: please let me pay for Ubuntu

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There's nothing wrong with that but I do think it would be a much harder market opportunity to exploit. You are definitely in a minority. Also, just a nitpick but if you don't click ads you are not a product since Amazon doesn't buy products who merely view its ads.

And yet, look at Apple's profits.

Apple's profits have very little to do with sales of its operating system. As I said, it would be nice to see "Ubuntu machines" but unlike Apple, Canonical would never enjoy a monopoly over Ubuntu hardware due to Ubuntu's open source nature.

Re: Dear Canonical: please let me pay for Ubuntu

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I think it shows a clear understanding of business models. In an ad-supported service, the advertiser is the customer and the user is the product being sold.

When you read The New York Times or WSJ or even Daring Fireball, do you feel like you're the product being sold?

Well, yes - particularly the WSJ, which flaunts its corporate sympathies, and DF, which wears its Apple admiration as a badge of honour.

Re: Dear Canonical: please let me pay for Ubuntu

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The bigger issue is Ubuntu isn't a product. It's a nice community layer with some high level project management spearheading the direction and a team of core developers adding nifty features. If there is paying for the product then how is that money distributed to Jack John Johnson the guy doing patch fixes on his free time because he enjoys it. Does he get a salary? Some kind of financial bonus? Then you've got the…

Most/all software that Ubuntu gets from others are released under permissive licenses that explicitly permits reselling of the software. So no, there should be no expectation of money to Jack John Johnson for his freely (as in both beer and freedom) contributed software.

I would assume, were Canonical to start selling Ubuntu, that some part of the profits would find its way upstream.

Re: Dear Canonical: please let me pay for Ubuntu

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What about http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=667 ?

It's difficult to envisage charging for the distribution ending well, but you can already pay Canonical for support if you'd like to, and I'm sure they'd be happy to tell you how to disable the "advertising". TBH, though, I'm not sure how Canonical's relationship with Amazon search is any different from what Mozilla do with Google search.

Re: Dear Canonical: please let me pay for Ubuntu

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I'm surprised no one here has mentioned the obvious solution: go with the Apple model and build Ubuntu machines. Sure, Apple made some money from selling OS X at $129. It's making less now. But new OS sales were never the reason for Apple to remain closed source. That had more to do with branding/marketing. Not many people remember that one of the reasons Steve killed the affiliate program is that the Mac affiliates…

The trouble is Canonical is and has always been a software company, and Apple is a hardware company (or at least its roots were). To make Canonical in a hardware direction under the Canonical brand, at a level to compete with existing hardware manufacturers, would take a fantastic amount of investment. They are making steps in partnering with hardware manufacturers, see the recent Dell linux laptop, and the OEM engin…

The way to go would definitely be partnering, and Dell is an obvious choice. There could be a "Ubuntu by Dell" brand, with a "white-label" Dell store under the Ubuntu domain, and they would work together to make sure all hardware is fully supported, is tested and ships with sensible defaults. On the other side, Dell would work with Canonical to make sure only supportable components are sourced, and even, over time, apply mild pressure on its suppliers to provide decent drivers.

Dell (or whoever does this) could win considerable dev/geek sympathy and mindshare with a move like this.

Re: Dear Canonical: please let me pay for Ubuntu

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RedHat charges for RHEL support , not for the software, they give that for free (see CentOS). Canonical also charges for Ubuntu support .

The fact that you need to strip all the references to Redhat and recompile all packages from source (aka CentOS) and can't actually just get the install image from Redhat like you can with Ubuntu means they don't give RHEL away for free.

I don't know where you get the idea that you need to compile CentOS from source from? They distribute images that are perfectly equivalent to RedHats images. The resulting installed systems are binary compatible - I suspect it's not a coincidence that the strings "RedHat" and "CentOS" are the same length.

The main selling point of RHEL is the stability and long term support that makes software vendors like Oracle comfortable supporting it as a platform. If you install CentOS you get that, perfectly free and open source. How is that not giving RHEL away for free?

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