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Firefox turns 10 years old today (Phoenix v0.1)

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Re: Firefox turns 10 years old today (Phoenix v0.1)

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Early Firefox felt really responsive and it was more functional and safe than IE. What happened? I still use it, but I definitely don't feel the same about it.

Chrome happened. When something even better comes along, you might not be as satisfied with the old solution, especially if it's just trying to play catch-up over the next few years.

and what about a _working_ noscript, ghostery or torbutton for chrome? good luck. chrome is not even playing catch-up.

Re: Firefox turns 10 years old today (Phoenix v0.1)

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I really miss Phoenix. The tiny size, almost non-existent feature set, incredible snappy speed, and still wide compatibility with most (if not all) websites of the day.

Then there's Firefox. It's taken years to get to a point where you aren't swapping from three page loads. It has hardware graphics rendering and built-in video codecs. An entire development environment. And "helpful" features that try to guess what you're thinking and end up using more bandwidth, i/o and cpu than is necessary.

I know, i'm a luddite, i'm old-fashioned, i'm hindering progress. But get off my lawn! I just want a single tool that does something well. What's wrong with just releasing plugins for the features that aren't strictly text and image web content?

Re: Firefox turns 10 years old today (Phoenix v0.1)

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History of Mozilla UI: http://liveweb.archive.org/http://www.andrewturnbull.net/moz... http://liveweb.archive.org/http://www.andrewturnbull.net/moz... http://liveweb.archive.org/http://www.andrewturnbull.net/moz... http://liveweb.archive.org/http://www.andrewturnbull.net/moz... History of Mozilla mascot: http://www.davetitus.com/mozilla/ Archive of old browsers and original Mcom.com site: http://www.jwz.org/blog/2008…

It's incredible how screenshots of archaic software can nearly move me to tears. Thank you so much for these!

Re: Firefox turns 10 years old today (Phoenix v0.1)

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History of Mozilla UI: http://liveweb.archive.org/http://www.andrewturnbull.net/moz... http://liveweb.archive.org/http://www.andrewturnbull.net/moz... http://liveweb.archive.org/http://www.andrewturnbull.net/moz... http://liveweb.archive.org/http://www.andrewturnbull.net/moz... History of Mozilla mascot: http://www.davetitus.com/mozilla/ Archive of old browsers and original Mcom.com site: http://www.jwz.org/blog/2008…

From that overview:

"This newer strategy...with fewer releases but more features and changes manifesting in each one...has held through to subsequent Firefox releases to date."

History sure changes fast.

Re: Firefox turns 10 years old today (Phoenix v0.1)

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History of Mozilla UI: http://liveweb.archive.org/http://www.andrewturnbull.net/moz... http://liveweb.archive.org/http://www.andrewturnbull.net/moz... http://liveweb.archive.org/http://www.andrewturnbull.net/moz... http://liveweb.archive.org/http://www.andrewturnbull.net/moz... History of Mozilla mascot: http://www.davetitus.com/mozilla/ Archive of old browsers and original Mcom.com site: http://www.jwz.org/blog/2008…

From that overview: "This newer strategy...with fewer releases but more features and changes manifesting in each one...has held through to subsequent Firefox releases to date." History sure changes fast.

Or rather history tends to repeat itself :)

Re: Firefox turns 10 years old today (Phoenix v0.1)

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History of Mozilla UI: http://liveweb.archive.org/http://www.andrewturnbull.net/moz... http://liveweb.archive.org/http://www.andrewturnbull.net/moz... http://liveweb.archive.org/http://www.andrewturnbull.net/moz... http://liveweb.archive.org/http://www.andrewturnbull.net/moz... History of Mozilla mascot: http://www.davetitus.com/mozilla/ Archive of old browsers and original Mcom.com site: http://www.jwz.org/blog/2008…

From that overview: "This newer strategy...with fewer releases but more features and changes manifesting in each one...has held through to subsequent Firefox releases to date." History sure changes fast.

Well, Chrome cooked their goose with a totally different methodology. A little agility is never a bad thing when you're being out-competed by the same company who pays most of your bills.

Re: Firefox turns 10 years old today (Phoenix v0.1)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Firefox is currently 17MB. It's pretty amazing that that size includes (off tge top of my head): JavaScript interpreter/compiler, HTML4 & 5 parser, XML parser, CSS parser, graphics engine, layout engine, WebGL, lots of typographical features, plugin API, extension API, DOM, BOM, developer tools.

It's much less impressive when you consider that Opera offers basically all of that, plus a built-in email client, and built-in BitTorrent support, and a built-in IRC client, and built-in ad blocking, among other features. And the largest Windows installer of the current 12.02 version is merely about 10.5 MB, too.

How is bloatware impressive?

The vast majority of the world will never need to use any of that.

Built-in ad blocking is about the only useful thing you listed, and Ad-Block and ABP are widely used.

Re: Firefox turns 10 years old today (Phoenix v0.1)

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's much less impressive when you consider that Opera offers basically all of that, plus a built-in email client, and built-in BitTorrent support, and a built-in IRC client, and built-in ad blocking, among other features. And the largest Windows installer of the current 12.02 version is merely about 10.5 MB, too.

How is bloatware impressive? The vast majority of the world will never need to use any of that. Built-in ad blocking is about the only useful thing you listed, and Ad-Block and ABP are widely used.

I think you missed the point. What is impressive is that Opera offers much more functionality than Firefox, yet its installer is nearly half as large. Whether or not the additional functionality offered by Opera is useful is irrelevant to this discussion.
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