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Alibaba Cloud says it cut Nvidia AI GPU use by 82% with new pooling system

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Re: Alibaba Cloud says it cut Nvidia AI GPU use by 82% with new pooling system

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This is such a popular coping tactic from Americans when it comes to facing actual competition, especially from China. Everything they do must either be a lie or just stolen American technology, as if there's something inherently special about Americans that no one else has.

That is a great respomse to something I did not say.

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I haven't read the paper yet, but it's here: https://ennanzhai.github.io/pub/sosp25-aegaeon.pdf aka https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3731569.3764815 .

So, definitely not state media, probably not lying on the fundamentals. Of course, still presumably viewed favorably by the CCP, I'd imagine.

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This is such a popular coping tactic from Americans when it comes to facing actual competition, especially from China. Everything they do must either be a lie or just stolen American technology, as if there's something inherently special about Americans that no one else has.

Interesting. So, we're going to deny that most of the IP theft from China up to this moment? Do you even think China is this advanced just because of chinese innovation? C'mon man.

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This is such a popular coping tactic from Americans when it comes to facing actual competition, especially from China. Everything they do must either be a lie or just stolen American technology, as if there's something inherently special about Americans that no one else has.

It comes from what people are taught in schools and from their own self perception. When those beliefs about American exceptionalism are challenged, cognitive dissonance kicks in. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism

Did y'all not read the last sentence?

Re: Alibaba Cloud says it cut Nvidia AI GPU use by 82% with new pooling system

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Ah, yes, the American media environment, which is internationally famous for not lying.

So we are in agreement, we should not take every thing at face value.

I just hope you extend this skepticism consistently.

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better link https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/semiconductors/al... paper https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3731569.3764815

Ok, we've changed the URL above (from https://www.scmp.com/business/article/3329450/alibaba-cloud-...), and will put the link to the paper in the top text. Thanks!

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The US attempt to slow down China's technological development succeeds on the basis of preventing China from directly following the same path, but may backfire in the sense it forces innovation by China in a different direction. The overall outcome for us all may be increase efficiency as a result of this forced innovation, especially if Chinese companies continue to open source their advances, so we may in the end h…

The US isn't slowing China anymore.

China has an import ban on chips [1] so its irrelevant what the US does.

[1]: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/17/nvidia-ceo-disappointed-afte...

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The US attempt to slow down China's technological development succeeds on the basis of preventing China from directly following the same path, but may backfire in the sense it forces innovation by China in a different direction. The overall outcome for us all may be increase efficiency as a result of this forced innovation, especially if Chinese companies continue to open source their advances, so we may in the end h…

History has shown that withholding technology from China does not significantly stop them and they'll achieve it (or better) in a small number of years. In many senses there's hubris in the western* view of China accomplishments: most of what western companies have created has had significant contribution by Chinese scientists or manufacturing, without which those companies would have nothing. If you look at the name…

Name one thing China has invented first in LLMs that the “west” adopted as a standard

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The US attempt to slow down China's technological development succeeds on the basis of preventing China from directly following the same path, but may backfire in the sense it forces innovation by China in a different direction. The overall outcome for us all may be increase efficiency as a result of this forced innovation, especially if Chinese companies continue to open source their advances, so we may in the end h…

History has shown that withholding technology from China does not significantly stop them and they'll achieve it (or better) in a small number of years. In many senses there's hubris in the western* view of China accomplishments: most of what western companies have created has had significant contribution by Chinese scientists or manufacturing, without which those companies would have nothing. If you look at the name…

> look at the names

Why would I do that tho? If we look at the names of scientists/researchers/engineers/businessmen, the conclusion would be that the US has contributed nothing to the world. Europeans did all the hard work!

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And the US has never stolen IP?

Corporate espionage is ever present but it is criminalized. The only time US as a country did that you can say "stole IP" was after WII when it took Nazi rocket scientists and technology. China is the opposite; stealing tech is done by the state apparatus (same was done by USSR and reverse engineering computers for example). Frankly I'm not surprised that this is done, probably if US was so behind it would have done…

NSA 'engaged in industrial espionage' - Snowden (2014)

https://www.bbc.com/news/25907502

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