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Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

#21
Before the topic is ironically flagged, I guess it is time to have "the talk".

Although you can construct peaceful narratives from both books, and most people are trying to do that, and I commend and appreciate their efforts immensely, fact of the matter is: you are swimming up the current.

The societies depicted in them were highly disturbed, warring tribes. The lessons from stories were harsh, often bordering on sadism. Pretty much everyone grew up with trauma if they survived.

Although you can find little nuggets of wisdom here and there about being humble and patient and not getting on a high horse, calling these books key to the universe is like pushing a camel through a needle hole.

Now should people mark "holy" book apps unsafe? maybe, but it isn't going to save children from being exposed. It will just disturb well meaning people and enrage the not so nice ones.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

#23

I mean, yes, these are religious texts, but if we are to judge them on a level with other content, they absolutely warrant a warning. The abrahamic religious texts intersect largely around the Old Testament, which is a smorgasbord of genocide, slavery, casual murder, infanticide, sexual abuse of all flavours, and all the rest. I guess the question is whether religious texts should be exempt from content warnings, in…

Hm... that seems strained. The film got an R because of visible blood/gore scenes and violence. There's nothing controversial about that at all, swap the script with an explicitly atheist one that rejects the divinity of Christ and crucifies a 100% mortal man in exactly the same way and you'd get an obvious R, because crucifixion is a violent act absent of any context.

And if you really want to go with the old testament having NSFW themes in its text (which it does), that seems like a frightenly slippery slope. If slavery and genocide are verboten, are you going to rule out Uncle Tom's Cabin or the Diary of Anne Frank too? History textbooks? Where does it stop?

I suspect your response is going to be that you think the bible is treating those subjects in an inappropriate way. Which is to say, you think it's a Bad Book and want to censor it for its meaning, not its content.

I mean, I happen to agree that it's a bad book. But... yikes, as it were. No, we don't do that.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

#24

I mean, yes, these are religious texts, but if we are to judge them on a level with other content, they absolutely warrant a warning. The abrahamic religious texts intersect largely around the Old Testament, which is a smorgasbord of genocide, slavery, casual murder, infanticide, sexual abuse of all flavours, and all the rest. I guess the question is whether religious texts should be exempt from content warnings, in…

From an App Store rating perspective, this particularly affects children, which leads to a much more focused question:

Should minors have the right to install and use apps without parental approval that grant them access to content that is accepted to contain:

> genocide, slavery, casual murder, infanticide, sexual abuse

And if so, then what categories of apps are exempt from otherwise-mandatory content restriction processes for children? The Satanists no doubt stand ready to step in if anyone tries to disguise “exempt only Christian bible apps” under the cloak of “exempt all religious apps”, but shouldn’t this also exclude the Education category so that history and language students aren’t disadvantaged?

This change doesn’t much affect adults, though no doubt they will be leading the charges of complaint against it. It absolutely affects minors, though, who will encounter a higher bar of difficulty in studying religions or foreign languages or world history without explicit parental consent.

Honestly, I’m not sure how I feel about that outcome, or any of this at all, but I wanted to make sure that an impacted group with little ability to speak for itself is recognized by those — by us all adults, specifically — who unilaterally compose and impose policies upon them.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

#25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it matter? F-Droid is a distributor, they're allowed to reject apps they consider controversial or outside their wheelhouse. The person who spoke up was correct, the ruling is consistent and the definition of NSFW content makes sense to me. Evangelism isn't exempted from being called and labelled as slopware. These people can perfectly well distribute their apps without F-Droid's help, they're not refusing to si…

It is not consistent, is the reddit app going to be removed next? It makes no sense. What about violent FPS games? Consistency would be that they in fact are removing everything that's NSFW.

The consistency is that the presence of a Reddit app or a Youtube app per se doesn't reveal too much about the device owner.

A Bible reader/tracker app, a Quran learning app... now that's where you enter a more sensitive area, religious beliefs are among the higher protected classes of data under GDPR.

And now there's a few potential threat sources: family members snooping through their relative's phones, border control snooping through phones (remember, apostasy is a crime punishable by death in some Muslim countries), or the worst one, random ad SDKs pulling in and distributing lists of installed APKs and pushing these to the mothership, where the data can then be hoovered up by anyone willing to pay for it, with the same result [1].

I wish I didn't need to write this, but it's not just some random Middle East theocracy going for its citizens as usual for the crime of not believing into the god of choice, we're seeing people being threatened for their faith (or lack of it) right in the United States of America, right now.

[1] https://theintercept.com/2025/05/22/intel-agencies-buying-da...

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

#26

Before the topic is ironically flagged, I guess it is time to have "the talk". Although you can construct peaceful narratives from both books, and most people are trying to do that, and I commend and appreciate their efforts immensely, fact of the matter is: you are swimming up the current. The societies depicted in them were highly disturbed, warring tribes. The lessons from stories were harsh, often bordering on sa…

Totally agreed. Anecdotal, but actually reading the Bible, linear + cover to cover, was one of biggest reasons I became an atheist.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

#27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it matter? F-Droid is a distributor, they're allowed to reject apps they consider controversial or outside their wheelhouse. The person who spoke up was correct, the ruling is consistent and the definition of NSFW content makes sense to me. Evangelism isn't exempted from being called and labelled as slopware. These people can perfectly well distribute their apps without F-Droid's help, they're not refusing to si…

It is not consistent, is the reddit app going to be removed next? It makes no sense. What about violent FPS games? Consistency would be that they in fact are removing everything that's NSFW.

Would you like to link to the reddit app or a violent FPS game not flagged as NSFW on F-droid? I don't believe either of those actually exists.

And again, nothing was removed from the store here, only marked as NSFW.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

#28
post #23

I mean, yes, these are religious texts, but if we are to judge them on a level with other content, they absolutely warrant a warning. The abrahamic religious texts intersect largely around the Old Testament, which is a smorgasbord of genocide, slavery, casual murder, infanticide, sexual abuse of all flavours, and all the rest. I guess the question is whether religious texts should be exempt from content warnings, in…

Hm... that seems strained. The film got an R because of visible blood/gore scenes and violence. There's nothing controversial about that at all, swap the script with an explicitly atheist one that rejects the divinity of Christ and crucifies a 100% mortal man in exactly the same way and you'd get an obvious R, because crucifixion is a violent act absent of any context. And if you really want to go with the old testam…

Neither uncle tom’s cabin nor the diary of Anne Frank advocated slavery nor genocide.

I don’t think anything should be outright censored - but I also don’t think that “Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.”, or The Levite’s Concubine, for instance, is necessarily something you want to spring on people, and if we’re going to do content warnings - and as a culture we do - we should be consistent.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

#29
This should have been the end of it.

> The current NSFW anti-feature definition is listed here: Anti-Features | F-Droid - Free and Open Source Android App Repository and copied below for reference:

> This Anti-Feature is applied to an app that contains content that the user may not want to be publicized or visible everywhere. The marked app may contain nudity, profanity, slurs, violence, intense sexuality, political incorrectness, or other potentially disturbing subject matter. This is especially relevant in environments like workplaces, schools, religious and family settings. The name comes from the Internet term “Not safe for work”.

> The key words here are the user. Apps should only be assigned this anti-feature if the app contains content that the user may not want publicized or visible elsewhere. Most, if not all users of Bible apps would indeed want the content of the apps to be publicized and visible elsewhere, so this anti-feature should not apply to Bible apps according to this definition.

Re: Bible and Quran apps flagged NSFW by F-Droid

#30

I mean, yes, these are religious texts, but if we are to judge them on a level with other content, they absolutely warrant a warning. The abrahamic religious texts intersect largely around the Old Testament, which is a smorgasbord of genocide, slavery, casual murder, infanticide, sexual abuse of all flavours, and all the rest. I guess the question is whether religious texts should be exempt from content warnings, in…

Apart from anything else, the Song of Solomon (which I actually like!) or Ezekiel 23:20 would probably trigger some kind of automated detection system. Not to mention the legitimately horrible parts like Deuteronomy 22:23.
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