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Re: Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare

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Post by genwin »

gnaritas wrote: post #109
waterlesscloud wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whether you or I would do it or not, it's virtually guaranteed that someone within your business circle has. Do you really care that they did?

I'll jump in and say yes. I'd never trust someone who lies to get ahead, and I'd make sure they knew it. It's sad that some here seem to think honesty is too high a bar; it's really not.

So which is it?: are you lucky enough to live in a state without sales tax, or do you pay your state's use taxes promptly when you buy stuff online?

Re: Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare

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Post by genwin »

drumdance wrote: post #51
dredmorbius wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is among the reasons I've revised my LinkedIn profile to a de minimas version. Name. Field. No job history. No resume. Contacts, which I keep trimmed in public views (lord knows how they're available behind my back, of course). I also maintain no FB profile. My prediction: the "social web" will end very badly. Mostly as the present cohort hits its 30s and early 40s, with concomitant life issues (marriage, child…

I actually think it will go the other way. Things that are suspect now will be treated as youthful indiscretion. Think about it: the current President admitted in his own book that he had done cocaine. That was unthinkable just 10 years ago. As Gen Y moves higher up the career ladder, they'll be the ones making the hiring decisions about the Facebook oversharers.

The Gen Ys that didn't overshare will make it up the ladder. The highest ones and those seeking office will pay to have their online records expunged, hoping they can avoid blackmail. The oversharers will be ruthlessly exploited.

Re: Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare

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Post by intended »

alid wrote: post #67
drumdance wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually think it will go the other way. Things that are suspect now will be treated as youthful indiscretion. Think about it: the current President admitted in his own book that he had done cocaine. That was unthinkable just 10 years ago. As Gen Y moves higher up the career ladder, they'll be the ones making the hiring decisions about the Facebook oversharers.

I agree - life is becoming more transparent, but this is corresponding with a collective growth in our emotional intelligence, so hopefully as we share more we're also more empathetic to the human condition. We none of us are perfect. The article raises important points about the legacy of our digital footprint…but I'm not sure how self-censored I'd like to see the online world. If we were all too scared of the ramif…

Thats drastically overestimating the ability of people to change/adapt.

I recall a comment once made - "statistics is the most important creation of our time, I foresee a future where even the simplest of men would have a basic knowledge of the field."

It hasn't happened, nor will it ever. People are born constantly into this world, and the large amount of development required to get to a point where you have sufficient emotional intelligence is a path littered with mistakes.

By the time you have a cohort stable enough and mature enough, you also have a counter cohort learning from the first obvious mistakes, or arguing against the older group.

Re: Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare

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Post by [deleted] »

hooande wrote: post #62

Facebook appears to be immune from privacy concerns. No matter what they do, the average person will keep using it. So what's to stop facebook from offering a "Narrative Data" style service of their own? If facebook said, "we're going to show potential employers and insurers a report based on your activity" do you think that would be enough to get people to delete their accounts? The average college student isn't goi…

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Re: Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare

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Post by intended »

fruchtose wrote: post #91

While data mining on this scale is only barely science fiction, I don't see it progressing it this far for a number of reasons: 1. Users. Once Facebook users learn that their public data will be used for these purposes, people will en masse make their profiles private. Not everyone will understand what is going on, but everyone with enough Facebook friends will figure out from their friends to make their profiles pri…

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Somewhat related experience in the past few days - A co-worker who never had known or cared about privacy, all of a sudden asked me how she could change her privacy settings on facebook. Curious as to why she did it - she said it was because of a friend of hers sent out a chain mail message asking for her to be removed. I found it ironic, that for those users most at risk of being exposed to lax privacy safeguards at FB, it was the network and social effects that were most likely to educate them in how to reduce their foot print.

Re: Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare

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Post by noonespecial »

I've always said we won't create the first strong AI, we'll just wake it up.

I hope its friendly. The selection pressures we're putting on its ancestors (to systematically weed out the people who aren't valuable to us) aren't instilling me with a great deal of confidence.

Re: Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare

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Post by route66 »

michaelochurch wrote: post #90
tptacek wrote: post #81

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It is a little freaky that you think honesty is a "high horse".

The issue is that people get fired and sometimes even humiliated over minor deceptions (like "playing" with dates) while companies routinely protect managers who do much worse things that actually hurt people-- things like promising good reviews and writing bad ones, abusing process for retaliatory or deceptive purposes, and hiring multiple people for the same leadership role at the same time. "Rules are for the prol…

You happen to see this only in what you call "power relationship". I happen to see it like this: people, e.g. software developers, with the same experience and background attributing themselves as "architects", blowing up their programming experience by years and languages they have never seen. You call this harmless cheating because they kill nobody. It's not harmless because it distorts the reality we all operate in and it confirms the power-relationship-rule. (what age are you talking about anyway? I'm 46, I could tell you about ageism, but telling I'm born in '76 only confirms the ageisms in place)

To react also on the "crab mentality" remark in another post: If the emperor says that crabs older the 1 year of age should be cooked and all crabs start to lie about their age and put others forward as being older (the ones who don't lie) the real ugly face of this mentality becomes clear.

Re: Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare

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Post by alid »

intended wrote: post #113
alid wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree - life is becoming more transparent, but this is corresponding with a collective growth in our emotional intelligence, so hopefully as we share more we're also more empathetic to the human condition. We none of us are perfect. The article raises important points about the legacy of our digital footprint…but I'm not sure how self-censored I'd like to see the online world. If we were all too scared of the ramif…

Thats drastically overestimating the ability of people to change/adapt. I recall a comment once made - "statistics is the most important creation of our time, I foresee a future where even the simplest of men would have a basic knowledge of the field." It hasn't happened, nor will it ever. People are born constantly into this world, and the large amount of development required to get to a point where you have suffici…

By 'collective growth in our emotional intelligence' I meant that because of factors like the internet, mobiles, globalization and the speedy virality of ideas, for a lot of the world their frame-of-reference is so much broader. Our ways of communicating and discussing ideas are broader. We network quicker.

So I agree that we're not going to meet some 'perfect state' of emotional intelligence, but I like to think that in the context of today, our ability to process and empathize with a diversity of thought is, on the collective, greater.

Re: Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare

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Post by guard-of-terra »

makomk wrote: post #78
guard-of-terra wrote: post #5

So what? Company A does not want you because of some stupid unscientific mumbo-jumbo, you just head to Company B on the other side of the street. This is only a problem if no employer wants you at all - if they have enough safe applicants so they can reject anybody even slightly unsafe. But that, even if it would happen, not a Facebook fault.

Then Company C decides to do business with Company A rather than Company B because Company B isn't following the latest mumbo-jumbo, and ao on...

So company B can do business with company D. They never liked company C much anyway.

Re: Facebook's Gen Y Nightmare

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Post by mleonhard »

I think this kind of profiling will be done on baby-boomers and gen-xers, too, using records of purchases. I believe every US store records who buys what when. This information will never be erased. It will end up being sold to aggregators who will then be able to sell the record of everything you bought since you became an adult. Even using cash will not protect you once face recognition becomes cheap. I think the only way to prevent this scenario is with legislation, as Europe is doing.
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