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OpenAI researcher announced GPT-5 math breakthrough that never happened

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Re: OpenAI researcher announced GPT-5 math breakthrough that never happened

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resoluteteeth wrote: post #6
bbor wrote: post #4

This is just tit-for-tat clickbait. The researcher’s wording was a bit unclear for sure, but far from incorrect.

I disagree. There is no way to interpret "GPT-5 just found solutions to 10 (!) previously unsolved Erdos problems" as saying something other than GPT-5 having solved them. If it just found existing solutions then they obviously weren't "previously unsolved" so the tweet is wrong. He clearly misunderstood the situation and jumped to the conclusion that GPT-5 had actually solved the problems because that's what he want…

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Re: OpenAI researcher announced GPT-5 math breakthrough that never happened

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Post by the_duke »

mentalgear wrote: post #8

Another instance of openAI manipulating results to prolong their unsustainable circular hype bubble. The inevitable collapse could be even more devastating than the 2008 financial crisis. All while so vast resources are being wasted on non-verifiable gen AI slob, while real approaches (neuro-symbolic like DeepMind's AlphaFold) are mostly ignored financially because they don't generate the quick stock market increases…

People keep spouting this, but I don't see how the AI bubble bursting would be all that devastating.

2008 was a systemic breakdown rippling through the foundations of the financial system.

It would lead to a market crash (80% of gains this year were big tech/AI) and likely a full recession in the US, but nothing nearly as dramatic as a global systemic crisis.

In contrast to the dot com bubble, the huge AI spending is also concentrated on relatively few companies, many with deep pockets from other revenue sources (Google, Meta, Microsoft, Oracle), and the others are mostly private companies that won't have massive impact on the stock market.

A sudden stop in AI craze would be hard for hardware companies and a few big AI only startups , but the financial fallout would be much more contained than either dot com or 2008.

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Post by dawnerd »

kif wrote: post #9

This honestly doesn’t surprise me. We have reached a point where it’s becoming clearer and clearer that AGI is nowhere to be seen, whereas advances in LLM ability to ‘reason’ have slowed down to (almost?) a halt.

But if you ask an AI hype person they’ll say we’re almost there we just need a bit more gigawatts of compute!

Re: OpenAI researcher announced GPT-5 math breakthrough that never happened

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Post by Topfi »

the_duke wrote: post #13
mentalgear wrote: post #8

Another instance of openAI manipulating results to prolong their unsustainable circular hype bubble. The inevitable collapse could be even more devastating than the 2008 financial crisis. All while so vast resources are being wasted on non-verifiable gen AI slob, while real approaches (neuro-symbolic like DeepMind's AlphaFold) are mostly ignored financially because they don't generate the quick stock market increases…

People keep spouting this, but I don't see how the AI bubble bursting would be all that devastating. 2008 was a systemic breakdown rippling through the foundations of the financial system. It would lead to a market crash (80% of gains this year were big tech/AI) and likely a full recession in the US, but nothing nearly as dramatic as a global systemic crisis. In contrast to the dot com bubble, the huge AI spending is…

Isn't the dot com bubble a far better proxy? Notably, todays spending is both higher and more concentrated in a few companies that a large part of the population has exposure to (most dot com companies weren't publicly traded and far smaller vs MSFT, Alphabet, Meta, Oracle, NVDA making up most investment today) by way of pension funds, ETFs, etc.?

Re: OpenAI researcher announced GPT-5 math breakthrough that never happened

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Post by vbezhenar »

kif wrote: post #9

This honestly doesn’t surprise me. We have reached a point where it’s becoming clearer and clearer that AGI is nowhere to be seen, whereas advances in LLM ability to ‘reason’ have slowed down to (almost?) a halt.

In my book, chat-based AGI has been reached years ago, when I couldn't reliably distinguish computer from human.

Solving problems that humanity couldn't solve is super-AGI or something like that. It's not there indeed.

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Post by strangescript »

This entire thing has been pretty disingenuous on both sides of the fence. All the anti-AI (or anti OpenAI) people are doing victory laps, but what GPT-5 Pro did is still very valuable.

1) What good is your open problem set if really its a trivial "google search" away from being solved. Why are they not catching any blame here?

2) These answers still weren't perfectly laid out for the most part. GPT-5 was still doing some cognitive lifting to piece it together.

If a human would have done this by hand it would have made news and instead the narrative would have been inverted to ask serious questions about the validity of some these style problem sets and/or ask the question how many other solutions are out there that just need pieced together from pre-existing research.

But, you know, AI Bad.

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