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Titan submersible’s $62 SanDisk memory card found undamaged at wreckage site

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Re: Titan submersible’s $62 SanDisk memory card found undamaged at wreckage site

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If the encryption was that easy to bypass, was it worth it at all?

There are some reasons you'd want to encrypt even without a secret key. One is it makes it easier to erase data (just erase the key). It also makes bit flip errors a lot more obvious, which is another way of saying harder to ignore, so that can go either way.

Can't bit flip errors also destroy encrypted volumes much more easily?

Re: Titan submersible’s $62 SanDisk memory card found undamaged at wreckage site

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When was the last time your phone stopped working due mechanical PCB damage? Typically the limiting factor on your phone is the screen breaking, your battery life getting too short, wear and tear on components like buttons or the charging port, and factory defects. Epoxy isn't going to help with any of those. The only thing it would help with is exposure to water, but if other parts of your phone like your screen are…

To add to that. My son got his phone caught in a reclining chair without realizing it. The fact that the phone bent in half instead of destroying the chair is a nice bonus. Replacing the phone was cheap, replacing a chair would not have been — yes, both are insured, but replacing/repairing a chair takes a hell of a lot longer.

I think most would disagree XD.

Phones these days are often more expensive than the chair and can be pretty inconvenient to replace, especially if you have nonrecent backups.

Re: Titan submersible’s $62 SanDisk memory card found undamaged at wreckage site

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Citation needed. It might be slightly easier, but most cases where you can get part of the camera, you can get the whole camera. This isn't a little point-and-click with a handy spring-loaded slot either.

Yeah but the Camera's owner is much more likely to notice "my camera is missing" than "the SD card is blank for some reason... the SD card must have failed" EDIT: The linked PDF has a photo, the camera literally opens up to access the SD card.

The camera's (former) owner may very well notice, but that will have little effect. It's much more common that cameras (security, photography, phones) get stolen with cards inside, rather than someone extracting the card and leaving the camera.

Re: Titan submersible’s $62 SanDisk memory card found undamaged at wreckage site

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Does not leave SubC in a particularly flattering light...

They had no idea how their own product worked. They didn’t even know it used encrypted storage. This was either outsourced or done by some junior engineer who was putting pieces together like it was another Raspberry Pi project that just needed to kind of work.

The longer I last in this world the more products I realize are the result of telling a few people who don't know what they are doing to "make it kind of work."

Re: Titan submersible’s $62 SanDisk memory card found undamaged at wreckage site

#95
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The NTSB's original report has more detail on how the SD Card was encrypted and how the NTSB managed to decrypt it: https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket/Document/docBLOB?ID=18741602&Fi...

The System on Module board is an Inforce 6601 SOM. [0] It uses a Qualcomm Snapdragon 820 and they provide prebuilt Ubuntu Linaro distros for it, preconfigured for the board. The camera manufacturer likely just tossed it straight in as configured and thus didn't know how the full disk encryption was setup. This whole camera design looks like one of those 'we gave this project to some undergrad engineering students who…

The 3D-printed (and hot glued?) part in Figure 3 further support this theory (not that 3D prints can't be used in production).

Re: Titan submersible’s $62 SanDisk memory card found undamaged at wreckage site

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post #75

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Citation needed. It might be slightly easier, but most cases where you can get part of the camera, you can get the whole camera. This isn't a little point-and-click with a handy spring-loaded slot either.

Yeah but the Camera's owner is much more likely to notice "my camera is missing" than "the SD card is blank for some reason... the SD card must have failed" EDIT: The linked PDF has a photo, the camera literally opens up to access the SD card.

Worth mentioning that I would immediately know if a different SD card was in my camera the moment I turned it on or ejected the card. If somebody knew to buy the same exact model and storage size that would be truly impressive.

Re: Titan submersible’s $62 SanDisk memory card found undamaged at wreckage site

#97
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The NTSB's original report has more detail on how the SD Card was encrypted and how the NTSB managed to decrypt it: https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket/Document/docBLOB?ID=18741602&Fi...

The System on Module board is an Inforce 6601 SOM. [0] It uses a Qualcomm Snapdragon 820 and they provide prebuilt Ubuntu Linaro distros for it, preconfigured for the board. The camera manufacturer likely just tossed it straight in as configured and thus didn't know how the full disk encryption was setup. This whole camera design looks like one of those 'we gave this project to some undergrad engineering students who…

Indeed this is massively overcomplicated, as one only needs to see what dashcams use to know that you don't need, or perhaps want, an entire OS on it.

Re: Titan submersible’s $62 SanDisk memory card found undamaged at wreckage site

#98
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The NTSB's original report has more detail on how the SD Card was encrypted and how the NTSB managed to decrypt it: https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket/Document/docBLOB?ID=18741602&Fi...

The System on Module board is an Inforce 6601 SOM. [0] It uses a Qualcomm Snapdragon 820 and they provide prebuilt Ubuntu Linaro distros for it, preconfigured for the board. The camera manufacturer likely just tossed it straight in as configured and thus didn't know how the full disk encryption was setup. This whole camera design looks like one of those 'we gave this project to some undergrad engineering students who…

I'll admit I only watched a video on it not the report, but it had pictures reportedly redacted at manufacturer request. It showed a teensy 3 and some adafruit qwiic board in there. Obviously the real engineering is in the enclosure. Otherwise it could just be a webcam. But still, it's clearly not a very in depth electrical design. I'm all for SoMs if you can but they don't guarantee you the adventure of custom hardware bringing moving through all the software stacks and whatnot.

Re: Titan submersible’s $62 SanDisk memory card found undamaged at wreckage site

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It's a solid piece of silicon encased in epoxy, so there's nothing really to get crushed. Contrast this to something like a cellphone that's made of hundreds of separate parts and has void space that will get crushed.

Why isn't a cellphone filled with epoxy?

Imagine how much drama they could have avoided if they filled the entire submersible.

Re: Titan submersible’s $62 SanDisk memory card found undamaged at wreckage site

#100

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They had no idea how their own product worked. They didn’t even know it used encrypted storage. This was either outsourced or done by some junior engineer who was putting pieces together like it was another Raspberry Pi project that just needed to kind of work.

The longer I last in this world the more products I realize are the result of telling a few people who don't know what they are doing to "make it kind of work."

That’s my entire experience in embedded. Everything I get from other companies basically looks like an internship project right down to the pointer arguments with unspecified bounds on the function calls. One of the companies we bought hardware from keeps representing things are working when they only work on devices in the lab. Almost nobody in the space produces anything professional and everything uses Yocto even for two person projects where Multistrap would be more productive.
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