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Titan submersible’s $62 SanDisk memory card found undamaged at wreckage site

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Re: Titan submersible’s $62 SanDisk memory card found undamaged at wreckage site

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> Why isn't a cellphone filled with epoxy? Added cost and weight are two things that would put off consumers. The phone would also be neigh irreparable, but consumers don't seem to care for that other than replacing their screen.

Neigh?

Some claim we are centaurs, we say Neigh!

Re: Titan submersible’s $62 SanDisk memory card found undamaged at wreckage site

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> Why isn't a cellphone filled with epoxy? Added cost and weight are two things that would put off consumers. The phone would also be neigh irreparable, but consumers don't seem to care for that other than replacing their screen.

Neigh?

I think they meant “nigh on irreparable“.

Re: Titan submersible’s $62 SanDisk memory card found undamaged at wreckage site

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It's a solid piece of silicon encased in epoxy, so there's nothing really to get crushed. Contrast this to something like a cellphone that's made of hundreds of separate parts and has void space that will get crushed.

Why isn't a cellphone filled with epoxy?

Well, most cellphones aren't subjected to the conditions found under three miles of frigid sea water. Epoxy is also really, really expensive.

Re: Titan submersible’s $62 SanDisk memory card found undamaged at wreckage site

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a solid piece of silicon encased in epoxy, so there's nothing really to get crushed. Contrast this to something like a cellphone that's made of hundreds of separate parts and has void space that will get crushed.

Why isn't a cellphone filled with epoxy?

Thermal concerns perhaps - how does epoxy dissipate heat?

Re: Titan submersible’s $62 SanDisk memory card found undamaged at wreckage site

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a solid piece of silicon encased in epoxy, so there's nothing really to get crushed. Contrast this to something like a cellphone that's made of hundreds of separate parts and has void space that will get crushed.

This comment made me wonder how much easier proximity fuzes would have been to develop in WW2 had they had transistors (or integrated circuits). I assume making modern solid state electronics 20,000g shock resistant is much easier than doing the same to vacuum tubes.

No need to wonder, proximity fuzes are still used today. And yes, they are much smaller, cheaper, more reliable, and precise.

Re: Titan submersible’s $62 SanDisk memory card found undamaged at wreckage site

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I see a lot of discussion in this thread stemming from some confusion+not reading the actual report[0]. Some key points: 1. The Camera+Card was encased in a separate enclosure made of titanium+sapphire, and did not seem to be exposed to extreme pressures. 2. The encryption was done via a variant of LUKS/dm-crypt, with the key stored on the NVRAM of a chip (Edited; not in TrustZone). 3. The recovery was done by transp…

If the encryption was that easy to bypass, was it worth it at all?

Sure. If the card was recovered without the camera motherboard then the decryption key would not have been recovered.

Re: Titan submersible’s $62 SanDisk memory card found undamaged at wreckage site

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The NTSB's original report has more detail on how the SD Card was encrypted and how the NTSB managed to decrypt it: https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket/Document/docBLOB?ID=18741602&Fi...

Does not leave SubC in a particularly flattering light...

They had no idea how their own product worked. They didn’t even know it used encrypted storage.

This was either outsourced or done by some junior engineer who was putting pieces together like it was another Raspberry Pi project that just needed to kind of work.

Re: Titan submersible’s $62 SanDisk memory card found undamaged at wreckage site

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Why isn't a cellphone filled with epoxy?

When was the last time your phone stopped working due mechanical PCB damage? Typically the limiting factor on your phone is the screen breaking, your battery life getting too short, wear and tear on components like buttons or the charging port, and factory defects. Epoxy isn't going to help with any of those. The only thing it would help with is exposure to water, but if other parts of your phone like your screen are…

To add to that. My son got his phone caught in a reclining chair without realizing it. The fact that the phone bent in half instead of destroying the chair is a nice bonus. Replacing the phone was cheap, replacing a chair would not have been — yes, both are insured, but replacing/repairing a chair takes a hell of a lot longer.

Re: Titan submersible’s $62 SanDisk memory card found undamaged at wreckage site

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It wasn't in the crushed part, it was in the camera's shell, and the camera was mounted outside, if I understood properly.

The picture looks like the camera + storage SD card were in a sealed metal tube that was untouched.

Although the entire enclosure was shaken around enough to tear bits off the PCB via sheer inertia and crack the CPU (hence the need for the recovery process described).

Re: Titan submersible’s $62 SanDisk memory card found undamaged at wreckage site

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It wasn't in the crushed part, it was in the camera's shell, and the camera was mounted outside, if I understood properly.

The picture looks like the camera + storage SD card were in a sealed metal tube that was untouched.

It clearly received a nasty shock when the sub imploded; that's why the internal components were so broken.
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