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Source: Apple Aggressively Recruiting Ex-Google Maps Staff To Build Out iOS Maps

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Re: Source: Apple Aggressively Recruiting Ex-Google Maps Staff To Build Out iOS Maps

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

$300k and a $1m signing bonus would be more reasonable for this exceptionally narrow and valuable skill set. As you correctly point out, $85k is not in any way congruent with "aggressive recruitment". In the Bay area, it doesn't even qualify as a mediocre salary for recent grads with no specialization.

"$300k and a $1m signing bonus" - Where is that figure coming from?

The next four words read "would be more reasonable."

That figure came from what the poster believes to be a more reasonable offer.

Re: Source: Apple Aggressively Recruiting Ex-Google Maps Staff To Build Out iOS Maps

#22

"...position sounds like a product development manager position, and will pay him $85k+ and all the moving expenses from the East Coast..." "Apple Aggressively Recruiting Ex-Google Maps Staff..." ^These are contradictory statements

It's a product development manager, not an engineer. They do the specification and to some extent project management. AFAIK managerial talent is not as rare as technical talent nowadays.

Managerial talent is just like anything else. Truly game-changing people are rare, and when you find one they are incredibly valuable. Product managers most definitely fit into that category. A great product manager is a huge asset worth as much as any great engineer.

Re: Source: Apple Aggressively Recruiting Ex-Google Maps Staff To Build Out iOS Maps

#23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"$300k and a $1m signing bonus" - Where is that figure coming from?

It's coming from how much minimally you are going to need to lure away a mapping expert from his stable and appreciated job at Google, which includes options, for a place that is opportunistic, unpleasant and unlikely to have much options upside. Bonus value based on the case of a few years ago, run of the mill employees getting $500k and up signing bonuses, plus generous options, to leave Google for pre-IPO Facebook…

"There are fewer than 10 people worldwide Apple can hire with the skills they need to organize this right."

That's an interesting number. I'm why you chose "10" instead of 5, 20, 50, 100 or 1000? There are a lot of smart people out there, who can get things done.

If there were truly only a 100 people world wide that could turn the mapping ship around, then they are worth considerably more than $300K/Year and a "$1mm bonus'. If there were only "10" people in the world who could pull this off, they could command pretty much any compensation they wished - and it would be in the hundreds of millions based on what I've read about the budget for large scale mapping systems ($8B at Nokia)

I'm guessing, that properly incented, there are a couple thousand people that Apple could reach out to who could, in short notice (2-3 years) lead Apple maps to the same quality that Google Maps is today. And such a position would command a salary around $300-$400K/year, with around a $10mm (all in) bonus for successful delivery on that time line. (Presuming that leading such an organization requires skills, experience, and knowledge so rare that there are only 2,000 people on the planet that can do it in 3 years)

The real question is whether Apple really want to invest in maps. Via Philip Elmer Dewit:

""Not doing its own Maps would be a far bigger mistake," says Asymco's Horace Dediu, who addressed the issue at length in last week's Critical Path podcast. "The mistake was not getting involved in maps sooner, which was on Jobs' watch. Nokia saw the writing on the wall five years ago and burned $8 billion to get in front of the problem. The pain Apple feels now is deferred from when they decided to hand over that franchise to Google at the beginning of iPhone.""

Does Apple really want to invest $8 Billion into Maps? Is there really $8 Billion worth of value there?

Re: Source: Apple Aggressively Recruiting Ex-Google Maps Staff To Build Out iOS Maps

#24
I'm confused - can someone explain to me the benefit of Apple developing it's own mapping software? Apple is not full of PhD's studying problems for the sake of it, they are a collection of people creating products that push their bar higher and higher. They make commissions from digital goods being purchased on their devices. This is why I'm confused. They don't have computer science PhD's to throw at challenging problems. They could hire tons of PhDs, but Apple hasn't really done that yet, they design something pretty good, package it up nicely, and sell it.

Google has a very attainable goal (or cause) for it's mapping project (at least that's what it seems from the outside) - the creation of self driving cars. Regardless of their initial motivation, looking back in ten years it will seem like Google wanted self driving cars, and Google created awesome mapping to provide the infrastructure for their cars.

Apple isn't going to create 'Apple cars' that drive around and take pictures of everything, will they?

How much is their to gain in them creating their own mapping software, what is their motivation for doing it?

Re: Source: Apple Aggressively Recruiting Ex-Google Maps Staff To Build Out iOS Maps

#25

"...position sounds like a product development manager position, and will pay him $85k+ and all the moving expenses from the East Coast..." "Apple Aggressively Recruiting Ex-Google Maps Staff..." ^These are contradictory statements

That isn't really phrased as a salary, is it? It sounds like a signing bonus. Which - well, I've never worked around Cupertino. Is $85k really a typical signing bonus?

Re: Source: Apple Aggressively Recruiting Ex-Google Maps Staff To Build Out iOS Maps

#26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"$300k and a $1m signing bonus" - Where is that figure coming from?

It's coming from how much minimally you are going to need to lure away a mapping expert from his stable and appreciated job at Google, which includes options, for a place that is opportunistic, unpleasant and unlikely to have much options upside. Bonus value based on the case of a few years ago, run of the mill employees getting $500k and up signing bonuses, plus generous options, to leave Google for pre-IPO Facebook…

With all due respect you are pulling a lot of numbers out of thin air. There are only 10 people that they can hire... really? While a totally respectable position, the hire they are talking about (which I guess is the first of the so called 10) was a GIS analyst - again no disrespect but not exactly what I would consider a 1 in 10 in the world kind of profile. Certainly someone who has skill but lets come back down to earth a bit.

Re: Source: Apple Aggressively Recruiting Ex-Google Maps Staff To Build Out iOS Maps

#27

"...position sounds like a product development manager position, and will pay him $85k+ and all the moving expenses from the East Coast..." "Apple Aggressively Recruiting Ex-Google Maps Staff..." ^These are contradictory statements

That isn't really phrased as a salary, is it? It sounds like a signing bonus. Which - well, I've never worked around Cupertino. Is $85k really a typical signing bonus?

For a company that has $117b+ in cash reserves and a HUGE PR blunder on their hands with the new Maps, I would assume the incentives for hiring on the key guys to fix that problem would be more substantial.

Re: Source: Apple Aggressively Recruiting Ex-Google Maps Staff To Build Out iOS Maps

#28

I'm confused - can someone explain to me the benefit of Apple developing it's own mapping software? Apple is not full of PhD's studying problems for the sake of it, they are a collection of people creating products that push their bar higher and higher. They make commissions from digital goods being purchased on their devices. This is why I'm confused. They don't have computer science PhD's to throw at challenging pr…

It's all about the data. The more you know, the better you can serve your users. But to get data on people, you need people using your products.

Re: Source: Apple Aggressively Recruiting Ex-Google Maps Staff To Build Out iOS Maps

#30
So the anti-poaching agreement with Google will now bite Apple right when they badly need current Google Maps staff?

It's the data silly - and if they are recruiting analysts that correct data manually or by writing scripts (per endtime's speculation) - $85K is believable.

But if they don't have complete data and they aren't running their own street view cars - how much would correcting existing data help in actually reaching parity with GMaps?

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