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Re: Ask HN: What do these startups need so much money for?

#41
For many startups, the short answer is: they don't right now. Everyone involved is betting on them needing it later.

But I understand your confusion. VCs are always knocking at our door and we still haven't answered the question, "What the hell would we do with 2 million dollars?" This is precisely why we haven't taken it.

Well, we've answered it, but it involves the words "hookers" and "blow".

Re: Ask HN: What do these startups need so much money for?

#43
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Because VCs don't invest anything less than a crapload of money?

VCs don't invest anything less than a crapload of money

A comic strip illustrates the point: http://www.thevc.com/strips/strip38.html

"C'mon folks, we need major cash outlays. [...] Work with me here, we're talking BILLION with a B..."

I think this could also be called an instance of perverse incentive. VC's have perverse incentive to invest more money than given startups need. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perverse_incentive

Re: Ask HN: What do these startups need so much money for?

#44
post #39
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is that MR and MC are not fixed . MR tends to go up with number of users (network effects), MC tends to go down (economies of scale).

MR doesn't go up with number of users. "Marginal Revenue" by definition is the difference in revenue from selling one extra unit. In many cases it would be the price of the product being sold, and is fixed. Economies of scale works on average cost, more specifically long run average cost, while it contributes to the MC going down, MC is more affected by fixed vs variable costs in the short term and more importantly i…

For most web startups, MR is not fixed, and it does increase with the number of users. This is mostly due to the price of advertising not being fixed. The value to advertisers increases for every additional user.

Re: Ask HN: What do these startups need so much money for?

#45
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MR doesn't go up with number of users. "Marginal Revenue" by definition is the difference in revenue from selling one extra unit. In many cases it would be the price of the product being sold, and is fixed. Economies of scale works on average cost, more specifically long run average cost, while it contributes to the MC going down, MC is more affected by fixed vs variable costs in the short term and more importantly i…

For most web startups, MR is not fixed, and it does increase with the number of users. This is mostly due to the price of advertising not being fixed. The value to advertisers increases for every additional user.

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Re: Ask HN: What do these startups need so much money for?

#46
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MR doesn't go up with number of users. "Marginal Revenue" by definition is the difference in revenue from selling one extra unit. In many cases it would be the price of the product being sold, and is fixed. Economies of scale works on average cost, more specifically long run average cost, while it contributes to the MC going down, MC is more affected by fixed vs variable costs in the short term and more importantly i…

For most web startups, MR is not fixed, and it does increase with the number of users. This is mostly due to the price of advertising not being fixed. The value to advertisers increases for every additional user.

The increased value for advertisers only holds true if the advertisers are paying a fixed rate per month regardless of impressions/clicks.

As for marginal revenue of the startup:

- Fixed rate = MR falls with increasing users.

- CPM = MR falls as the more the pageviews you get, the better a price advertisers will demand from you.

- Per click = MR remains relatively stationary but as with CPM, at some point demand and supply kicks in and when you supply more clicks than advertisers want (for a certain price), they will pay less /per click/.

To get increasing MR in advertising would require changing the rate of 'more likely to buy' users relative to users in general. On the internet it's the other way around, more users == less likely to buy, and with things like Adblock becoming more and more mainstream, it hinders it even more.

Re: Ask HN: What do these startups need so much money for?

#47
Depends on your game plan I think. If you want to look all big and important so you'll hopefully get acquired, you need to spend tons of money on things that impress potential acquirers.

If however you just want to make money, profit, things like that, you don't need to spend much money for a web based startup at all.

Re: Ask HN: What do these startups need so much money for?

#48
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you read the article in question, and think it isn't retarded, then you are probably some kind of Down's Syndrome sufferer and I don't respect your opinion anyway.

What do you have against people with Down's Syndrome?

Flamethrowers.

Re: Ask HN: What do these startups need so much money for?

#50
As so many others have said: yes, good people are expensive. And if you expect to grow to a non-trivial size, hosting/servers/bandwidth are going to cost you.

There is also the issue of leverage. If you need $500k, you don't raise $500k, because when you run out and start looking for more money, your negotiating position is very poor. Instead you raise $2M, then start to talk to investors again when you have spent half of it.

In my experience marketing is not a significant portion of expenses for a startup.

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