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Steve Jobs and Cray-1 to be featured on 2026 American Innovations $1 coin

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Re: Steve Jobs and Cray-1 to be featured on 2026 American Innovations $1 coin

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Post by johnnyanmac »

fujigawa wrote: post #220
shevy-java wrote: post #159

Shall we forget that Steve Jobs conspired with other companies to pay developers less? This is well-documented in courts (and also on many other websites, by the way): https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/24/apple-goo... See: "[...] Steve Jobs orchestrated an elaborate scheme to prevent poaching and drive down wages."

>to pay developers less Oh no, he only paid them $300k/year? How did they survive without selling their kidneys to the black market?

The difference between a highlh paid specialist worker and a billionaire is about a billion dollars. They are still working class, they can still be screwed over.

Times are hard, but don't confuse the person with a bowl of rice with the people who own thr rice factory. Even if that is a lot compared to the scraps you have.

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Post by johnnyanmac »

smeeger wrote: post #232
shevy-java wrote: post #159

Shall we forget that Steve Jobs conspired with other companies to pay developers less? This is well-documented in courts (and also on many other websites, by the way): https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/24/apple-goo... See: "[...] Steve Jobs orchestrated an elaborate scheme to prevent poaching and drive down wages."

developers deserve less. they were paid way too much especially back then

Why?

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Post by johnnyanmac »

Suffocate5100 wrote: post #194
themafia wrote: post #28

Why Steve Jobs and not the Apple II? Or even the iPhone? Alternatively why not Seymour Cray instead of the Cray-1? Or why not use one side for the inventor and the other side for the invention? Jobs sitting there in an empty field just throws the whole set for me.

I would've been happy with the picture of Steve and Woz in the garage.

Woz is still alive, so that wouldn't be possible yet. But I do agree.

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Post by johnnyanmac »

Waterluvian wrote: post #225
microtherion wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You could argue that Steve Jobs was a product of very Californian circumstances: Born to parents of very different cultural backgrounds, raised in a hotbed of electronics development (and new age spirituality), started a company in an area full of enthusiasts and venture capitalists…

Maybe California should put him on their dollar coin then.

He is, in the link above. And the cray-1 is for Wisconsin.

For completeness, mobike refrigeration is for Minnesota and Dr. Normal Bourlag is for Iowa

Re: Steve Jobs and Cray-1 to be featured on 2026 American Innovations $1 coin

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Post by satiated_grue »

voidUpdate wrote: post #82
pk-protect-ai wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not Wozniak (probably still alive), or Shannon (I'd vote for him), Convey, Knut, Reed, Solomon, Thompson, Ritchie, Kernighan, etc? Why it is a CEO? Why Jobs and Edison? It is just how it is...

I don't think you're allowed to have living people on a US coin

Neil Armstrong (technically his spacesuit, presumably with him inside) was on the 2002 Ohio quarter.

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Post by groundzeros2015 »

hirvi74 wrote: post #255
groundzeros2015 wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Grim take on your family and neighbors.

If you had some of knowledge and experiences I have had, I would hope you would agree with me. Things have gotten better over the years, but there is a lot of dark and grim history.

I don’t want to psychologize too much but when people have tough upbringing and then find a community in adulthood they tend to invert the morals and values of their upbringing.

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Post by arcfour »

googlywoogly wrote: post #230
garciasn wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was an absolutely brilliant visionary who was able to bring his way of thinking to life through others, in the most brutal way possible. This included business (successes and failures) and his treatment of people (including his own family and ultimately himself). What he did was literally change the shape and direction of the entire human race through his ability to level up existing products (directly and indirec…

He wansn't any kind of visionary. He didn't invent or design a single thing. He was a ruthless manager and marketer, abusing people and taking credit for their work.

Sometimes half the battle of making a product is to get the right people in the right room at the right time.

He managed to do that quite frequently. How much credit to give him for it is something I'm not quite sure of myself, but you really can't argue with the results.

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Post by KalMann »

avazhi wrote: post #215
shevy-java wrote: post #159

Shall we forget that Steve Jobs conspired with other companies to pay developers less? This is well-documented in courts (and also on many other websites, by the way): https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/24/apple-goo... See: "[...] Steve Jobs orchestrated an elaborate scheme to prevent poaching and drive down wages."

Ok? That doesn’t diminish in any way his technological and industrial accomplishments.

I think the moral character / deeds of a person should play a role in whether or not we choose to honor them.

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Post by Nevermark »

shevy-java wrote: post #159

Shall we forget that Steve Jobs conspired with other companies to pay developers less? This is well-documented in courts (and also on many other websites, by the way): https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/24/apple-goo... See: "[...] Steve Jobs orchestrated an elaborate scheme to prevent poaching and drive down wages."

I am currently unaware of anyone who has accomplished anything considered historically important over any significant time period to judge, that didn’t have obvious ethical gaps.

Probably nobody lives without ethical gaps.

and the impact of ethical gaps of someone who has been able to achieve a lot, and are more visible to judge, are likely to both be and seem to be, proportionally greater.

Could it be enough to simply honor people who, overall, have done inspiring, positive things, while not giving them a pass for their mistakes and deficiencies, assuming they are legitimately smaller in scale?

I am not a fan of “purity” viewpoints.

so much easier to be severely critical, than open oneself up for judgement.

I am a fan of realism in both accomplishments and failures. The good impact and the bad. And taking inspiration and warning, from those whose accomplishments weigh more heavily to the former.

Being realistic has another advantage.

it doesn’t strongly imply, without actual evidence, that the speaker is somehow less prone to mistakes.

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Post by Mr_Minderbinder »

SaberTail wrote: post #131

And meanwhile today you can get more power than the Cray-1 (or Cray-2) from a single chip a fraction of the size of that coin. Very quickly: a dollar coin is about 550 mm^2 on a face the Cray-1 could do 160 MFLOPS an M1 chip has a die size of 120 mm^2 an M1 chip can do over 1 TFLOPS

The “over 1 TFLOPS” claim for the M1 appears to be for single precision floats whereas FLOPS performance figures for supercomputers, including the one given for the CRAY-1, are almost always based on double precision (FP64) floats. The double precision FLOPS performance of the M1 would be lower, perhaps half of the single precision performance.
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