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Steve Jobs and Cray-1 to be featured on 2026 American Innovations $1 coin

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Post by elif »

bArray wrote: post #198
shevy-java wrote: post #159

Shall we forget that Steve Jobs conspired with other companies to pay developers less? This is well-documented in courts (and also on many other websites, by the way): https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/24/apple-goo... See: "[...] Steve Jobs orchestrated an elaborate scheme to prevent poaching and drive down wages."

> Shall we forget that Steve Jobs conspired with other companies to pay developers less? What could be a more fitting placement than on a dollar coin? He'll be used to pay employees using an inflating dollar currency, where he can continue to pay employees less in perpetuity.

Considering it costs $1.25 for each of these he's already withholding value!

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Post by mxuribe »

alephnerd wrote: post #199
mxuribe wrote: post #197

Maybe its simply my personally opinion, but I agree with @tylerflick with the opinion that why not Dennis Ritchie. Sure, Jobs was a ridiculously effective *promoter*, and there is without a doubt a place for that role in the world...But i guess when i think *innovation* i think Ritchie, Woz, Cray, Admiral Hopper, etc...not, like, the business folks...but maybe i'm being too harsh?

Before Steve Jobs, UX was an afterthought in much of software development. It was he and Apple that really drove the tech industry to recognize that User Experience and developing simplified products for non-specialists matter. Even the Mint gives that explaination for why he's included as an "innovator".

Respectfully, i disagree. But, then when i really probe why i feel that, i think i simply have personally negative feelings against Jobs, and that of course isn't fair to fans of Jobs. It might sound like i'm discounting the good things that jobs indeed did accomplish, and which directly did help society...I'm not! I just feel like Jobs is that kid who - yes, does help - but others do LOTS of the work, but because he is the loudest kid, tends to get all the attention...clearly the issue is on my side; my personal feelings towards Jobs, and its not a fair assessment for whether he should or should not be considered an innovator...So i think i will respectfully stop commenting on this thread since i am of course not adding value, other than to express: i never liked Jobs...Which isn't helpful for this dialogue. So...Sorry, and thanks all!

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Post by hirvi74 »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #222
hirvi74 wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dolly Parton is the only person of value to ever come out my state (TN).

Cordell Hull, architect of the United Nations, who won a Nobel peace prize for his work, was from Tennessee.

(Mods, I am sorry if this is getting off topic.)

The KKK was founded in Pulaski, TN, which is about an hour from where I was raised. It wasn't until July, 2021 that the bust of the founder of the KKK (Nathan Bedford Forrest) was removed from the state capitol building. It's now been relocated to the 'TN State Museum' which was magically opened mere days after the bust was removed.

I could provide countless more examples of things I have heard, read, and witnessed, but I am certain you do not need any more examples, and honestly, even thinking about it all really depresses me.

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Post by hirvi74 »

sparrish wrote: post #245
hirvi74 wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dolly Parton is the only person of value to ever come out my state (TN).

Tennessee already had their coin in 2022. They featured the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA)

Oh no way? TVA is great. I went to college down the road from their HQ, and they were the main source of internships for my comp sci program. My university had a strong cybersecurity program that was partly DoD funded, in which many graduates went on to perform cybersecurity roles for TVA. After all, power plants are often juicy targets.

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Post by hirvi74 »

groundzeros2015 wrote: post #189
hirvi74 wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dolly Parton is the only person of value to ever come out my state (TN).

Grim take on your family and neighbors.

If you had some of knowledge and experiences I have had, I would hope you would agree with me. Things have gotten better over the years, but there is a lot of dark and grim history.

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Post by hirvi74 »

linguae wrote: post #247
hirvi74 wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dolly Parton is the only person of value to ever come out my state (TN).

Al Gore and Elvis Presley are two prominent Tennesseans who immediately come to mind as a third-generation Californian. Don’t discount your state.

One neighbors growing up used to tell people to not believe any of the conspiracy theories about Elvis still being alive. He knew Elvis was dead because he was one of the paramedics to carry his body out of Graceland.

(Elvis is also from Mississippi, btw)

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Post by larodi »

shevy-java wrote: post #159

Shall we forget that Steve Jobs conspired with other companies to pay developers less? This is well-documented in courts (and also on many other websites, by the way): https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/24/apple-goo... See: "[...] Steve Jobs orchestrated an elaborate scheme to prevent poaching and drive down wages."

Many people don't even know the Syrian ancestry of Jobs, as per WikiPedia.

Steven Paul Jobs was born in San Francisco, California, on February 24, 1955, to Joanne Carole Schieble and Abdulfattah "John" Jandali (Arabic: عبد الفتاح الجندلي)

...

His cousin Bassma Al Jandaly has claimed that Jobs' birth name (prior to adoption) was Abdul Lateef Jandali (Arabic: عبد اللطيف الجندلي).

Perhaps also a good moment to remember this Banksy art

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2015/dec/11/banksy-...

(...from where we read..)

In a rare statement accompanying the work, Banksy said: “We’re often led to believe migration is a drain on the country’s resources but Steve Jobs was the son of a Syrian migrant. Apple ... only exists because they allowed in a young man from Homs.”

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Post by hirvi74 »

FredPret wrote: post #212
hirvi74 wrote: post #176

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What did Jobs actually build himself? My understanding was that man was technically inept.

Saying "no" to off-topic / dumb ideas in a consistent way is an amazing product development skill. It's like carving away all of the marble that doesn't look like David. Neal Stephenson wrote a really great Substack about art and how it's the end product of many small decisions. That's exactly what Jobs did on the hardware he worked on. https://nealstephenson.substack.com/p/idea-having-is-not-art

Far enough, because I will even concede that after Jobs died, Apple has never been the same. Cook has been serviceable, but I haven't really been comparatively thrilled with anything to come out during his tenure.

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Post by nozzlegear »

danans wrote: post #246
nozzlegear wrote: post #243

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I'm personally glad that Steve Jobs wasn't a protectionist and we weren't all paying $2000 in 2011 dollars for an iPhone.

> I'm personally glad that Steve Jobs wasn't a protectionist Me also. What does that have to do with Jobs being represented on currency? Why not do the same for the pharmaceutical CEOs who have set up generic drug supply chains overseas, or the leaders of apparel companies who set up overseas sweatshops to enable us to have disposable clothing? Arguably, affordable antibiotics and underwear have made a vastly bigger…

I was addressing your point about Steve Jobs being a globalist, which you made out to be a bad thing. Globalism is a rising tide that lifts all boats.

> Arguably, affordable antibiotics and underwear have made a vastly bigger positive impact on standard of living than iPhones.

Maybe so, but "positive impact on standard of living" isn't the theme of this US Mint collection. The theme is "American Innovation."

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Post by scoofy »

shevy-java wrote: post #159

Shall we forget that Steve Jobs conspired with other companies to pay developers less? This is well-documented in courts (and also on many other websites, by the way): https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/24/apple-goo... See: "[...] Steve Jobs orchestrated an elaborate scheme to prevent poaching and drive down wages."

This is one reason I support not putting humans on money. We used to put mythological figures on our coinage (liberty, justice, etc), because the are symbols and are uncomplicated by substance.

Humans are flawed. Putting humans on money -- as symbols -- is going to make us go in circles about their imperfection. From Washington as a slave owner to Steve Jobs suppressing wages.

This is not an issue if we just put the symbols on the money instead of using people as proxies. If we want a coin for innovators, but Providentia on the coin.

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