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Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by dchichkov »

ricardobeat wrote: post #88
dchichkov wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same thing really. He couldn't reinstall application that he owned. Because access to the installer was convoluted.

You bought it on a CD, keep the CD. Before downloading apps was the norm, no company would issue a second copy of something you bought.

Well, before advent of app store I NEVER had a case than I couldn't reinstall application that I've purchased.

And with the app store, in just a year or so I already had a couple of cases when I lost access to an installer. One was that I lost iPhoto, with OS upgrade on Air. Another, temporarily, for around a week I had no access to XCode installer [because of some screw up in the store].

Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by johnpowell »

js2 wrote: post #80

I think there's one thing he didn't try that would've saved him some work. The path he took was (skipping some early steps): 1. Backup under Snow Leopard via Time Machine 2. Replace drive 3. Install fresh copy of Snow Leopard 4. Upgrade to Lion 5. Attempt to use Migration Assistant to restore from the Time Machine backup taken in step (1). This failed at step (5) and he ended up having to do lots of manual work to co…

I'm not a fan of Time Machine. I just use Carbon Copy Cloner to make a bootable version on a USB drive. If things go wrong I boot from it and clone it back to the internal drive.

Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by robwgibbons »

I hate to defend Apple, but at least half of this guy's problems, cleverly disguised with snarky thanks, could have been avoided had he simply brought his machine into the store like everyone else. They have everything they need to fix your issue right in store, minus the faulty wiring, cleaning ladies and CF cards.

Thank you, Asshole.

Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by tisme »

lurker14 wrote: post #71
frio wrote: post #50

I wanted to blog about something similar myself, but currently lack a blog. Apple's rejection of physical media is, I would argue, extremely harmful. I have an old, 2008 Macbook (not Pro) 4,1. The old white plastic kind. Lion performs atrociously (at best) on it, so around half a year ago I installed Linux on it. Recently, I got around to buying a new laptop (a Lenovo), and wanted to restore OSX on the old Macbook in…

Eh, you bought a working Leopard system, you messed with it (removed the OS and installed an unsupported alternative), you broke the original media sometime over the next 4 years, and you didn't make a backup, and chose not to use any other backup copy, of which there are many millions floating around the world. It's not all Apple's fault here.

He did try a whole pile of work-arounds, any of which would have normally worked if not for someone deliberately obstructing it.

Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by ybother »

lurker14 wrote: post #71
frio wrote: post #50

I wanted to blog about something similar myself, but currently lack a blog. Apple's rejection of physical media is, I would argue, extremely harmful. I have an old, 2008 Macbook (not Pro) 4,1. The old white plastic kind. Lion performs atrociously (at best) on it, so around half a year ago I installed Linux on it. Recently, I got around to buying a new laptop (a Lenovo), and wanted to restore OSX on the old Macbook in…

Eh, you bought a working Leopard system, you messed with it (removed the OS and installed an unsupported alternative), you broke the original media sometime over the next 4 years, and you didn't make a backup, and chose not to use any other backup copy, of which there are many millions floating around the world. It's not all Apple's fault here.

That's not very convincing argument when you consider that if she was running Windows that none of these issues would've mattered.

Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by icebraining »

runn1ng wrote: post #90
dchichkov wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. Pirating is almost an ethical choice in these cases :) Unfortunately pirated packages are often filled with malware. Not exactly what you want. So a much better choice is just going with open source. Picasa, instead of iPhoto, etc...

I am not sure if pirating something you bought is actually technically illegal or not. You are not buying the disk with the data, you are buying a license to run the software. Even when you pirate it, the license should still apply.

The copying (distribution) is still illegal, and you're probably guilty of "conspiracy" to do it.

Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by nicklaforge »

I have to laugh at hose of you who fault Rob for following anything but the most mainstream recourse in resolving his crisis as proof that he's to blame, didn't do his homework, etc. Consider this: despite the (somewhat strange, in my mind) phenomenon of various Plan 9 alumni (and Google employees in general) using Macbooks for daily use, the fact that these folks are proven experts at bringing up ports of their own research operating systems on new machines from just their hardware documentation should key you into the fact that these Apple products were purchased with all the expectations of an appliance! I.e., not things to be mucked around with, but the result of a commercial transaction that ought to be judged on its capacity to perform as advertised and supported if necessary.

Getting a closed, commercial product (with a baroque unix base) to bend over backwards to perform basic functions like backup and installation is not a Plan 9 user's of fun. I would hazard a guess that the greatest reason Rob got burned could have been the naive expectation that programs will perform their designated task simply and correctly?

Considering Apple's user-base, on the other hand, idiot proofing the system seems to be a much higher priority. Which is the main reason why I still don't understand why Plan 9 people can stand to use Macs.

Re: Thank you Apple

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Post by thatjoshguy »

frio wrote: post #50

I wanted to blog about something similar myself, but currently lack a blog. Apple's rejection of physical media is, I would argue, extremely harmful. I have an old, 2008 Macbook (not Pro) 4,1. The old white plastic kind. Lion performs atrociously (at best) on it, so around half a year ago I installed Linux on it. Recently, I got around to buying a new laptop (a Lenovo), and wanted to restore OSX on the old Macbook in…

> you can't buy Snow Leopard media anymore

Yes you can, providing you call Apple.

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