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Re: The Last PC Laptop

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Along with this, I'm considering the Thinkpad X1 Carbon or the Samsung Series 9 -- they're all advertised as lightweight, powerful, and with more vertical resolution than the usual piddling 768px. Anyone tried them and want to weigh in? http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/08/a-worthy-ultrabook-ap... (edit: previous discussion at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4428262 ) I'm leaning towards the Thinkpad since I g…

I'm also considering the thinkpad as a replacement, mainly because once I got used to the trackpoint I can't imagine working on a notebook without one.

Re: The Last PC Laptop

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This very much reminds me of the Steve Jobs quote that in the future, laptops and desktops will be like trucks. They will always be around for those who need them, but most people don't need trucks. Personally, I don't quite see that yet with today's hardware and paradigms. The processing power is certainly getting there. My tablet today is significantly more powerful than my laptop in 2006 but still not quite fast e…

> My tablet today is significantly more powerful than my laptop in 2006 but still not quite fast enough for compiling stuff etc.

What kind of laptop did you own? If you've got an iPad 3, any Tegra 3 or Exynos 4412 powered Android Tablet known to my knowledge you have in no way the processing power of a 2006 Laptop. To remind you, a reasonable Laptop in 2006 had a Core (2) Duo CPU, discreet graphics aside. I've used such a Laptop until 2011 to work flawlessy with Eclipse, Photoshop and even older versions of Premiere.

Performance-wise the current ARM CPUs still are lagging behind anything the Desktop had roughly ten years ago.

It's only their power consumption that made them interesting for Apple and only that only with the uprising of very power efficient gpus aswell so the iPhone 1 could have that level of responsiveness at basically no cpu power.

And it's not a fault of X86, which is shown by the newest Intel Medfield CPUs which are starting to outperform the ARMs at the same level of power consumption. At these levels of engineering it boils down to physics. ARMs CPUs aren't just more "cleverly" designed, they had a different scope, different instruction sets and therefor different power specifications.

You can only get so much CPU Speed from a CPU at a certain NM scale with a certain intructionset at a certain power level, and if it's arm or x86 doesn't change that.

ARM should start to feel Intel's breath in their neck, since ARM doesn't have nearly the kind of spending power Intel has to strongarm(no pun intended) the technology beyond the reach of ARMs financial possibilities(The NM race is becoming exponentially more expensive with each iteration...).

Motorola has started to build the RazrI which will be very interesting to watch in the market.

Re: The Last PC Laptop

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"Want the smallest most portable device you can get away with? "

"Want to be always connected to the Internet? Sure you do;"

"Just try opening a laptop on a crowded subway train or bus."

Someone needs to stop trying to arrange their life around their tech and try it the other way around.

If you are so overloaded with work, or so keen at your work, or so behind in your work, that you need to open your laptop on the train and start tapping away then some part of your work-life balance is in serious need of adjustment.

If you're THAT valuable to yourself or the business that you MUST be hunched in front of the keyboard, or online, every waking moment then why are you on a train? Your value/benefit demands that you be driven everywhere so you can work in the back of the vehicle and that you have a PA to handle messaging. Right?

I am an IT Manager for a high-tech company. Here's my solution, based on my personal values and my value/responsibility/benefit to the business:

Samsung Galaxy Note

It's a stupidly-big phone AND a moderately-sized tablet. I can keep in touch with emails, speak to people(!), do video calls and Skype/VoIP, check messages and do remote support via RDP/VNC/SSH/OpenVPN if there's a serious crisis when I'm on the move. If needed (rare), I can use the phone for reading/editing documents and PDFs, minor coding work and, if I really want to fill another pocket, it will work with a bluetooth (or miniature USB wired) keyboard.

Acer Aspire 5735 laptop.

It's a dual-core, 15.6" screen model, about three years old. The laptop comes with me very occasionally when I need it for a meeting or if I need to hook up to some kit when I'm on site. As it happens, the Galaxy Note has an MHL (HDMI) video connector and so I can use it for meeting presentations anyway. Laptop for use on a train? Maybe - on the extremely rare occasion that I need to type up a report on the way back home as it's needed first thing the next day. Typing stuff on the way TO work or site? That was done in the office the day before, or maybe at home if things get sprung on me at very short notice. If I don't grab the laptop, an original Acer Aspire One AA150 netbook comes with me.

In a nutshell, I have boiled down my tech-demanding activities to:

Desk-based: Use a conventional PC, or my laptop, or my phone (for calls and simple networking diagnostics)

On the move: Phone for about 95% of the time. Take laptop or netbook if needed.

Considering that the phone is always with me, that means I'm automatically setup for almost all my work and personal tech needs all the time.

Would I consider buying a UX31A or similar ultrabook (or a tablet for that matter) - sure, if cost/benefit was not an issue, but the device would probably spend most of its life on a desk, and all the things that make it what it is (size, lightness etc.) would be wasted - unless of course, I turned things on their head and altered my work/lifestyle to fit around the technology - mind you, that would mean taking the train to work instead of driving - and, no, I don't have a chauffeur!

Re: The Last PC Laptop

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He has a desktop computer with a bunch of monitors, so I guess his laptop is mostly for email, entertainment and web browsing. Of course a tablet can do that just fine. If you're using a laptop as your main machine, you have different needs.

Personally I am planning to retire my desktop computer and buy an ultrabook, probably a Samsung 900X3C. The Samsung is tinner and lighter, and I read it's a bit more solid in the build than the Asus.

Anyone tried both the 900X3C and a UX31A? Anyone tried Linux on them?

Re: The Last PC Laptop

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Guess he didn't look very hard for the specs he's quoting. I had a Dell Dimension D430 which was awesome a few years ago (actually it was great until a few weeks ago when I dropped it) and got 6+ hours of battery life easily, and the Z-series Vaio I'm typing this on are just a teeny bit heavier than what he's talking about and also get similar battery life. Plus, for longer times without access to power outlets, ther…

The UX31A has a full HD (1920x1080) display, whereas the D430 has WXGA (1280x768). I don't see many laptops with Full HD displays at that price point.

The Asus A95V is another one - real workhorse, huge & heavy (18.4 display) but has latest i7 Ivy-Bridge chip set, 2 hard disks, 16GB mem, full HD.

similar price point - actually a bit cheaper than the UX31A but originally only available in Germany.

Re: The Last PC Laptop

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Along with this, I'm considering the Thinkpad X1 Carbon or the Samsung Series 9 -- they're all advertised as lightweight, powerful, and with more vertical resolution than the usual piddling 768px. Anyone tried them and want to weigh in? http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2012/08/a-worthy-ultrabook-ap... (edit: previous discussion at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4428262 ) I'm leaning towards the Thinkpad since I g…

Existing Thinkpad fans have been unimpressed with the display on the X1 carbon. You may take that with a grain of salt, as some of us remember when high-end models came with UXGA IPS panels and a few could even be ordered with a QXGA option.

Thanks. I like that the screen is a bit larger than the others (14") even if lower resolution, but maybe I should worry about the quality.

Re: The Last PC Laptop

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By emphasizing that this is his last "PC" laptop, I assume he might still buy a laptop in the future but not a PC one. However, all the points listed in the article are reasons for why tablets are more awesome.

The only thing I find appealing about tablets at the moment is the ARM CPU, which translates directly to low heat and long battery life.

I don't want to run a tablet OS. I don't want to have to attach an external keyboard. I don't care about touch. I want more than a gig of RAM. I want a laptop-class SSD, not an SD card. I'm actually considering building my own ARM laptop because I haven't seen anything on the market I want.

Re: The Last PC Laptop

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"Want the smallest most portable device you can get away with? " "Want to be always connected to the Internet? Sure you do;" "Just try opening a laptop on a crowded subway train or bus." Someone needs to stop trying to arrange their life around their tech and try it the other way around. If you are so overloaded with work, or so keen at your work, or so behind in your work, that you need to open your laptop on the tr…

Train rides are kind of boring. Why wouldn't I get out my laptop on a train? I did, recently, to add depth-of-field compensation to a blurry image detector I'm writing for my own amusement. I don't think that would be nearly as fun on a stupidly-big phone.

Re: The Last PC Laptop

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It seems he wants a super-powerful tablet. That'd be reasonable for on the go. He'd have a good docking system at home to connect to proper monitor and keyboard, with big storage. There'd be a portable keyboard too, for proper work on the go.

He'd still have to take a phone.

And, of course, he'd have a struggle with OSs not knowing if they were using horrible tablet interfaces or desktop interfaces; and having to adjust between mouse and touch all the time.

Re: The Last PC Laptop

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Interestingly, I'm having the opposite thing happen. Due to this MacBook Pro Retina (I have the fully spec'd version), I firmly believe that my Mac Pro will be the last desktop computer I own.

While the Mac Pro (about a year old) still smokes this laptop in a lot of areas, it's not enough smoke that I find myself turning it on half as much as I used to after I got this laptop. Occasionally, if I'm doing some heavy duty OpenFrameworks hacking, I'll switch over.

I've moved almost all my video editing to the MBP, mostly because I went with the G-RAID thunderbolt RAID (wrongly assuming they'd introduce a Mac Pro line with Thunderbolt sometime soon). And render times aren't so bad that I miss it all that much, though when I do I will begrudgingly shuffle some files around and fire up the Mac Pro. (I do video installation art as a hobby).

I think I will miss how warm the Mac Pro keeps my office in the winter though.

I also can't wait to see what next year's line refresh brings.

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