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Re: Startup = Growth

#191

I gotta say, "a company designed to grow fast" is not only more concise, but broader and more on point than Steve Blanks' definition ("an organization formed to search for a repeatable and scalable business model"[1]) An epic essay with tremendous depth. Love the ending: "A startup founder is in effect an economic research scientist. Most don't discover anything that remarkable, but some discover relativity." [1] htt…

I gotta say, "a company designed to grow fast" is not only more concise, but broader and more on point than Steve Blanks' definition I would prefer just to say that the definitions are "different" :-) Blank's focus is on startups that are discovering their business model. PG's focus is on startups that are designed to grow fast. Those two groups of organisation overlap, but are not identical.

No, I'd say PG's definition is simply more narrow. Blank is covering the "grow fast" part of PG's definition by "repeatable and scalable".

Though I highly doubt PG would in fact define "startup" as "a company designed to grow fast". Pretty sure he would agree there's also a "search for a business model" aspect to it.

Re: Startup = Growth

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What defines a startup for me is utilizing technology with a very good chance it will be a spectacular failure. You have a great feeling that you'll have users but there's a very real chance that you'll get none to 10 and go down in tremendous flames. You're swinging for the fences. That's because you're doing something that no one has done or your entering a market with huge dominant players whom you hope to usurp. It's either very audacious or insane. Your 10 professional friends split down the middle when asked.

You know if you open a barber shop you will get people come in off the street to cut their hair. You just worry you'll have enough over time to sustain it. If you start a consulting business you know you'll get clients (at least I assume you do) as your skills are in demand. You probably got commitments from at least 3 before you made the plunge. It's just whether you'll get enough and a steady flow to go with. If you're bootstrapping a lifestyle tech company it's probably because you know exactly what the market needs and have your first 5 customers from your previous gig so you know you can get through the first year. All of these still have a large amount of risk but they're not really true startups to me.

It's true it's very hard to have a startup without (rapid) growth as the central tenant . And you can have many businesses that are not startups that aren't focused on growth over anything else. However, you can have many businesses that are not startups hyper focused on growth (SuperCuts, Pappa Johns) to make the definition in this essay too weak for me.

Re: Startup = Growth

#193

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> "Businesses that are good for society need to grow quickly to actually reach a large fraction of society" That is not true (and is more relevant to manufacturing than to tech companies). Look at ARM, for example, it never needed to grow rapidly and it doesn't actually produce stuff - it just licenses intellectual property - but the existence of ARM benefits millions. Would this fledgling firm in the early 90s Cambr…

If ARM's business model is around licensing their IP, wouldn't getting distribution (via Apple, etc.) be considered growth? They hit profitability in a year. "EDIT: Same goes for id, Valve and other game studios - you see sometimes it's better to have the best engineers and researchers take their time, let them develop and mature the technology they're working on and build something long-lasting that affects millions…

There is growth indeed via Apple, Samsung and other licensees. But that's mostly within the purview of Apple, Samsung, Qualcomm etc. ARM doesn't have to scale for that growth - Apple and Samsung do - yet ARM's designs reach millions of us.

As I understand it, the whole reason Valve built Steam was to cut the publisher out of the value chain (who, to be honest, had too much power and added little value for the customer).

Incremental patching and DLCs are (extremely beneficial) side-effects.

Re: Startup = Growth

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self-funding growth from profitability pretty much guarantees you are locked into a relatively slow growth rate That's an unwarranted assumption. Part of designing a startup business model is organizing growth so that you are unconstrained, so that more input produces greater output, earlier -- whether it's capital, users, employees, or support. All it takes is for one component of your business to not scale and you…

> Amazon is a decent example. Bezos chose books because it was (a) accessible (catalogs existed), and (b) he got 6 months to pay back booksellers, which meant he could afford to grow the more he sold, by using the money owed to the booksellers as float. Books are fantastic for other reasons: easy to ship, relatively non-perishable, mass-produced, and even affordable. Webvan, for instance, would always have a harder t…

The other insight Bezos had about books was that the extent of the market was limited by a physical constraint in how big a store could get. It was a perfect product to exploit unmet demand for long tail titles. Groceries don't seem to suffer this problem to such a degree. Most of what people want to eat is available in local stores.

Re: Startup = Growth

#195

I don't understand why he chose restaurants and barbershops as examples of non-startups. Both make things lots of people want, and some of them are big chains that have wide reach, so they fulfill criteria a and b. Either these are startups, or there are more criteria pg didn't include, such as rate of growth - even the most successful chains usually have 10 years or so from the opening of the first store to becoming…

I think it's implied that there's a difference between a taco stand that is just running in a local geography and not really innovating, and a company like Chipotle which spent a lot of time and effort optimizing their business model to make it replicable while taking large investments to pursue fast growth. He's not referring to Chipotle in the essay. It's why says "restaurants" and not restaurant chains.

Re: Startup = Growth

#196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I gotta say, "a company designed to grow fast" is not only more concise, but broader and more on point than Steve Blanks' definition I would prefer just to say that the definitions are "different" :-) Blank's focus is on startups that are discovering their business model. PG's focus is on startups that are designed to grow fast. Those two groups of organisation overlap, but are not identical.

No, I'd say PG's definition is simply more narrow. Blank is covering the "grow fast" part of PG's definition by "repeatable and scalable". Though I highly doubt PG would in fact define "startup" as "a company designed to grow fast". Pretty sure he would agree there's also a "search for a business model" aspect to it.

Hmmmm... I don't think just that PG's definition is a subset of Blank's.

Unless he's changed his tune in the latest book (The Startup Manual is still in my to read pile) then under his definition the company stops being a startup once you have achieved the "repeatable and scalable" bit. Then it's just "a company" :-)

For Blank Startup == being in Customer Discover/Validation phase. Once you're out of there and in Customer Creation & Company Building you're no longer "a startup" - you've found your business model and are busy applying the heck out of it.

Under pg's definition the bit that defines the startup is the "Customer Creation" stage when you've found your business model and and are growing fast (to quote "Together these three phases produce an S-curve. The phase whose growth defines the startup is the second one, the ascent.").

Under Blank's definition you've stopped being a startup at this point - you've found your scalable business model. Under pg's definition you would still be a "startup" in the Customer Creation & Company Building stages as long as you're growing and haven't hit internal/market boundaries that slow your growth.

Also PG's focus on fast growth doesn't seem to be present in Blank's work.

I'm think Blank would be happy to call the early days of a new retail organisation like Ulta Salon a "startup" (they found a new repeatable and scalable business model for retail, taking the beauty counters out of the larger stores and sticking 'em as stand alone stores on cheaper real estate).

I get the impression that their very impressive growth (for retail) of 92% since 2006 wouldn't count as "startup" under PG's definition... or maybe not.... I don't know.

Re: Startup = Growth

#197
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OK... well I think your point is that PG's essay is "amoral", which is true. It doesn't say anything about whether hyper-growth is a thing we should value (as human beings, not as money making machines). Actually ALL his essays are amoral. PG is very precise. He doesn't advocate specific things; he lays out a set of deductions. You will come to the same conclusions IF you have the values he supposes. IF you value thi…

You're reading too much of your own POV into another person. Compare this essay with a random earlier one I selected (I just scrolled down and clicked a title that would seem ripe to disprove you) http://paulgraham.com/opensource.html Morality is rife within it, justice, monopolies, boss-employee relations. He may have changed but all of his essays aren't amoral.

I don't read that essay as having much morality. I think YOU are reading your POV into it.

There is an assumption that a monopoly by MS would be dangerous. That's not a particularly judgmental stance. I could imagine someone having a different belief system about monopolies, but it hardly seems like a moral claim.

Then he is saying that he prefers to work with an economic partner rather than under the employer-employee system. He doesn't say it is morally right. He says that business can learn from this, because it would make the business more productive. That's an amoral argument. He's invoking economics to justify a way that people should interact.

It's basically a libertarian argument, and in general this type of argument is agnostic about morals.

Re: Startup = Growth

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post #168

This article is, for me, more proof of a general phenomenon that's happening recently - startups are no longer considered the best vehicle for hackers to become wealthy. Maybe it's just my own history and confirmation bias speaking here (recently switched from startups to a Consulting business). But lately, the whole "bootstrap" movement is getting much more popular around here. More and more, I'm seeing articles and…

I agree, and it's also a direction that I'm personally headed (currently focused on freelancing/bootstrapping), but I also think it has more to do with the current recession more than anything. It's a really tough environment now and I think a lot of the innovation over the next few years is actually going to come from the big tech companies.

Some of the best startup advice you'll ever get is by @yegg in "Paths to $5M for a startup founder": http://gabrielweinberg.com/blog/2010/06/paths-to-5m-for-a-st...

No one ever becomes a great entrepreneur overnight and it's a fallacy to think that you could do a high-growth startup only when you're young and in your 20s (Jeff Bezos, Larry Ellison, Jim Clark, Mike Bloomberg all started their big companies in their 30s; Mark Cuban and Mark Pincus started their billion-dollar co's in their early 40s).

I think it's wise to maintain a very long-term view of the startup game, and to take bigger risks gradually as you develop into a stronger entrepreneur. So, I think it's smart to prove yourself as a bootstrapped entrepreneur and make your first few million and be financially independent, and then be in a position to take big risks to work on a high-growth startup.

Jim Clark, the greatest serial tech entrepreneur to date, started SGI when he was 37 and Netscape when he was 50. This is a long-term game.

Re: Startup = Growth

#199
post #106

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What I meant is that there is no 2x2 matrix like this. You can: work for/be a founder. And you can invest. There are no 'figurative sense investments'. You can't 'invest time'. Nobody cares about your time. You can only invest money [or hours * your market rate, which is money].

I think you are just repeating my point and misunderstood my original description. There are people who invest in and work for startups, people who invest in and work for non-startups, people who invest in startups and work for non-startups, and people who invest in non-startups and work for startups. The interplay between time and money and risk and growth with these combinations became clearer to me because of this…

There are founders [owners] and investors. Fact that there are people who 'work for' startup is irrelevant to the interplay between the investment risk/return.

True, one can be not-a-founder and work for startup. But this person would be just working for salary, and hopefully at market rate. So it is irrelevant to the investment risk/return equation.

Now if one is not working at MARKET RATE - here we have some muddy waters. Because this person would be essentially making a monthly investment. This investment would likely go towards COMMON [not restricted] stocks, WITH vesting/cliff, with NO CAP. If this is the case, one can just assume that startup would have an angel investor doing a monthly investment on these terms. This would go into risk/return equation. Again fact that somebody is working is irrelevant to risk/return.

That's why I've said that your 2x2 matrix doesn't make sense. Now, you can replace 'work for' with 'founder' and it would make sense.

And by the way, if you read the original pg article, he doesn't mention people who 'work for' startups at all. He is talking about founders and VCs.

Re: Startup = Growth

#200
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Based on required growth rates and measurement intervals (5-10% per week), there would seem to be a pretty heavy bias towards the consumer space. B2B or so-called Enterprise Companies, especially industry-specific new companies, would have a hard time qualifying on several fronts (market size, growth rate, growth interval). I am particularly interested in the B2B style of startup because I run an Enterprise Startu-er…

Selling expensive enterprise products does have a longer sales cycle than cheaper consumer products, and increments to your revenue come in more discrete blocks. But that doesn't invalidate pg's argument about growth: you just have to use other proxies to estimate your trajectory. For example, instead of active users you track a number of leads and how interested they are. Even without a single closed deal, you can m…

From my experience selling services and products to large companies for the past 10 years, "interest" doesn't mean much. Everyone is interested. You don't have anything until you see the signature. And I don't mean the signature on the contract. I mean the signature on the check.

I agree with you that pg's point about startup growth is not invalidated by the realities of enterprise selling. But I think te way past those realities is to change the rules of the game. The "sale" should be a low-friction agreement to do business at some cost per unit/user/GB/etc. Growth is the. The ability of the product to go viral within the account. Essentially, it becomes the same process as a consumer sale with the one additional step of getting approved to sell into that batch of consumers.

While that might seem to be a big negative against starting an enterprise business, the advantage is that you're then convincing people to spend someone else's money which is easier than convincing them to spend their own. How else could a $.99 app look, feel, perform better than a $100,000 peice of enterprise software.

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