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Re: iPad Pro with M5 chip

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Post by tristor »

thewebguyd wrote: post #161
tristor wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, that makes sense given what the "haters" are saying, and indeed what you yourself admit. If this is just a device for passive consumption of entertainment, then ultimately it's a consumer-facing use case, and there are MANY MANY MANY more consumers than there are creators, whether that creation is a photo or a line of code. So of course more devices are sold, because you need a laptop (due to mostly software,…

It could be a great device for certain types of creation also. I use mine for editing photos. But, I still have to start and end the process with Lightroom classic on my Mac because of stupid decisions by Adobe to rent-seek with cloud storage, offering no local-stroage workflow option with the iPad app (and deliberately leaving out some features only available in LR Classic). Likewise, I would love to do all of my ph…

Even on the laptop, Lightroom Classic is missing capabilities and has poor UX for common workflows. I've used Lightroom for 15 years, and at this point I primarily use DXO Photo Lab for editing, I only use Lightroom as a digital library management tool. I can't even fathom using the current Adobe products on iOS to try to do my workflow. That's mostly due to software, but also because I can't connect a high performance CF Xpress reader to a tablet, given the port performance limitations. I have a TB4/USB4 reader and high speed cards for my camera.

Re: iPad Pro with M5 chip

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Post by pretext-1 »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #28
pjmlp wrote: post #14

Great hardware spoiled by a toy OS.

What doesn’t the OS do as of OS 26 that most ordinary people care about?

A lot of small things. For example importing Live Photos. On macOS when you drag and drop an image and video file with the same name into the Photos app, the Photos app combines both into a single Live Photo. On iOS/iPadOS this does not work.

There is bigger things too. A proper web browser for example. Google Docs is barely usable in Safari on iPad with larger documents. The permanent banner at the top asking you to install the app is so annoying. The Google Docs app is somehow even worse. And it’s not just Google apps. Many iPad apps are just upscaled iPhone apps with lots of features missing compared to the web version. And don’t even think about support for multiple tabs or windows in apps.

For YouTube and Netflix my iPad Pro is great but anything beyond hurts. And this is the „Pro“ model. You can say maybe I’m too advanced for the „Pro“ but most users have _something_ besides of YouTube and Netflix they want to do and will feel these limitations sooner or later. It’s it not a laptop replacement and Apple wouldn’t want it to be.

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Post by jillesvangurp »

vessenes wrote: post #98

For the haters here - Apple sells roughly 2x as many iPads as Macs (including MacBooks). Roughly as many iPad Pros as laptops. I've cycled through using an iPad Pro as my main device on and off over the years - particularly the cellular modem has been a draw. For coding, they're terrible, as they are for longer form writing. I've ultimately shrunk down to the small size and use it as a kindle/gaming replacement. I th…

My mother (75) is on her fourth ipad now. They are amazing devices for non technical users. My father bought her a laptop (some cheap windows thing) before she got her first ipad and asked here "are you happy with it". And she went "it's just a computer". She's not a gamer. Computers were for boring admin and banking stuff in her mind. Something that lives on a desk far away from the living room. Having to go there to browse the internet wasn't fun. She just had no interest in the whole thing. So he brought it back to the store and got an ipad instead. Life changing event.

Key feature: she can sit on the couch and use it. She does that all the time. It's a much more approachable device. She does everything on it. She plays a lot of bridge both on the ipad and in real life. So, she's even playing online games. Really fun when she randomly starts swearing at some dumb witted random co-player on the internet.

I'm not into IOS myself but I appreciate it for what it is and does. Steve Jobs nailed that one. I have a mac book pro but I have an Android phone. For me a phone is dumb read only device. Typing on it sucks. The screen is to clumsy and tiny for properly enjoying content, the camera is alright but I don't use that a lot. It's a device for reading hacker news and a few other things. I actually take most calls via my laptop. It even fails its primary job as a communication device for me.

Anyway, the key thing with this ipad is the built in apple phone chips. No more qualcomm. They can just put this thing in any device now. I'm not sure what's holding them back with their laptops. I'm guessing there's some Qualcomm IP and patents that might make that a bit expensive. But it's 2025. Why can't my laptop not connect to 5G networks without dongles, thethering, or other nonsense? The key blocker was always Qualcomm. Problem solved you'd think. Apparently, they are not going there yet. Maybe next year.

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Post by rafram »

bluescrn wrote: post #86
bombcar wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every iPad I've bought was going to be "the one where I find a use case that uses it" but every time it ends up being a YouTube machine.

iOS doesn't even make for a very good YouTube machine, you need uBlock Origin for that.

You could also subscribe to YouTube Premium. It pays creators better than ads do (versus an ad blocker, which pays them nothing), and it includes YouTube Music, so you can ditch Spotify.

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

pretext-1 wrote: post #202
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What doesn’t the OS do as of OS 26 that most ordinary people care about?

A lot of small things. For example importing Live Photos. On macOS when you drag and drop an image and video file with the same name into the Photos app, the Photos app combines both into a single Live Photo. On iOS/iPadOS this does not work. There is bigger things too. A proper web browser for example. Google Docs is barely usable in Safari on iPad with larger documents. The permanent banner at the top asking you to…

Why would you use the web app for GSuite instead of just using the apps?

I use GSuite on my iPad all of the time.

Re: iPad Pro with M5 chip

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

pjmlp wrote: post #200
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven’t done mobile development for ages, but isn’t it always slower to have to update the app on the phone all of the time?

Why should mobile development the only reason for a rich OS experience?

I replied to the wrong comment - my bad

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Post by _ph_ »

gyomu wrote: post #181
prmoustache wrote: post #177

What is the use case for an iPad Pro vs the regular iPad or the iPad Air that I didn't knew even existed? I have the feeling that everything one could do with the Pro could be done as well with the less expensive models. Apart from the handful of travel youtubers that might want to edit and render their videos in an airport terminal I think the use cases would be very niche. Yet a lot of people seem to prefer it over…

As a photographer, the OLED screen is truly gorgeous and it is kind of ironic that it is the best display available on any Apple device (the blooming on miniLED is pretty horrendous, and it’s beyond me how anyone deemed it a viable technology to ship in products aimed at professional visual artists/designers).

Yes, I got the 13" M4 Pro mostly because of the display. I use the iPad Pro as my photo album and its just fantastic for that. The M4 flies of course. Thanks to more and more multi-windowed support on iPad OS it gets more useful for light tasks.

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

pjmlp wrote: post #198
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #124

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Really? Are we going to compare development in what 1980 to today? I got my start programming on an Apple //e in 1986 in assembly and it had 128KB of RAM. 6GB is not plenty when you are expected to run an IDE and in the case of Android an emulator that is also emulating a phone with 4GB+ RAM. iOS development has never used an “emulator”, when you ran in the simulator even on x86 computers, it compiled your code to x8…

Really, because iPadOS fails short of being a proper Dynabook. Who needs an emulator when running on device?!?

Now you are going to list exactly how. Just a reminder before you start playing the old guy card - I’m 51 and started coding in 1986.

You would need an emulator if you wanted to run Android Studio or use the much flowery process of updating the phone every time you made a change.

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Post by 0x457 »

whimsicalism wrote: post #156
0x457 wrote: post #119

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You can do that. As long as you're okay with VSCode or a very specific build Vim: https://docs.blink.sh/advanced/code Please don't move the goal post to "I also want to compile and run code" because I got nothing for that. I just ssh to my home server and use my normal shell and neovim there.

i don’t find the code-server experience particularly good. this “functionality” in blink is basically just safari also no local git

What do you mean, no local git? There is local git...it's just another app. I know it sucks. Also pretty sure code-server has working git functionality?

I don't find that experience good either, but I mostly write rust, so not having rust tool chain and its component is a dealbreaker for me.

I'm just saying you can write code and commit from iPad directly. I'd rather get the ability to use jetbrains IDEs via their remote client, but I don't think it will ever happen.

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Post by pretext-1 »

tristor wrote: post #111

I have never figured out what the point of a tablet is, except for entertainment. I keep wanting to buy an iPad every time a new one comes out, yet I've never bought one, and keep failing to see any point to it. I have a reMarkable device, which is a sort of tablet, but I use it exclusively for taking notes by hand in meetings, which is basically what it is designed for. I have a Kindle, which is kind of like a table…

I travel a lot for work and don’t want to bring a second MacBook Pro. iPad works well in the plane for watching movies, MacBook not so much, at least not in Economy class. Can’t use my work computer for personal stuff anyway unfortunately. Also can’t download Netflix content offline on desktop.

Another use case is in the kitchen. Recipes, YouTube, FaceTime, etc. I use my iPad Pro in the kitchen every day when I’m at home. Easy to clean up. Using a MacBook while cooking will make it gross very fast.

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