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Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by DrProtic »

leakycap wrote: post #260
WXLCKNO wrote: post #114

Pretty funny how they're actively targeting M1 users with their marketing copy with this release. Sorry you made your first gen chip so good that I don't feel the need to upgrade lol.

> Sorry you made your first gen chip so good that I don't feel the need to upgrade M1 MacBooks are ~5 years old at this point, and if you've been working a laptop hard for 5 years it's often worth getting an upgrade for battery life as well as speed.

Battery power on M1 16” was so good when new that even severely degraded is still pretty good.

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by ElijahLynn »

PeterCorless wrote: post #266

Someone I know saw the 14" starts from $1,599 and the 16" starts at $2,499, and quipped "The most expensive 2 inches ever." However, it is not just because of the larger display. M5 14" starts at: 10-Core CPU 10-Core GPU 16GB Unified Memory 512GB SSD Storage M5 16" starts at: 14-Core CPU 20-Core GPU 24GB Unified Memory 512GB SSD Storage So it's the cost of 4x more core CPU, 10x (double) the core GPU, and +8GB memory.

Where did you get these specs from? The page linked in the OP says the 16 in is only available in M4.

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by leakycap »

amaranth wrote: post #275
leakycap wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A NVIDIA 2080 graphics card from 2018 still surpasses the M5 for gaming. The M5 Pro coming early next year will likely finally catch up with the 8-year-old 2080. I'm happy to hear your games work well for you, but it sounds like the games you're playing aren't demanding compared to modern AAA titles. Most games released in the last year or two don't run well on my 2080 test system at anything approaching decent graph…

A 2080 is about the same performance as a 5060 and every game is going to be able to run on a 5060. You might not be running it at 4K Ultra with ray tracing enabled but you should be able to run at like 1080p High or better. Whether or not the M5 GPU is actually capable of that level of performance or whether the drivers will let it reach its potential is of course a completely different story. GPU performance is har…

> A 2080 is about the same performance as a 5060

A 5060 outperforms a 2080 by roughly 20% on most titles, across the board, not cherry-picking for the best results. They are not about the same.

> you should be able to run at like 1080p High or better

This is disconnected from reality. 1080p low/medium, some games are playable but not enjoyable. Remember, I actually have a 2080, so I'm not just guessing.

> GPU performance is hard to estimate based on raw specs, you just have to run benchmarks and see what you end up with.

Rich coming from someone who claims a 7 year old graphics card is "about the same" as a card which has 2.5x better RayTracing, has 3x faster DLSS, faster VRAM, and much better AI capabilities. The 2080 can't even encode/decode AV1...

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by skinnymuch »

0xfaded wrote: post #52

To any Linux users, I recently bought a fully loaded M4 MacBook pro to replace my aging Lenovo and strongly regret it. I thought I would use it for playing with LLMs, but local dev on a Mac is not fun and I still don't have it fully set up. I'll probably replace it with a framework at some point in the near future. Edit: okay, that garnered more attention than I expected, I guess I owe a qualification. 1. Everything…

My issue is how much I care about looks. If it’s not pretty, I have a harder time using stuff outside the CLI/TUI.

Linux is too ugly for me to use as my main device. Same with what I’ve seen of Android.

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by nektro »

leakycap wrote: post #260
WXLCKNO wrote: post #114

Pretty funny how they're actively targeting M1 users with their marketing copy with this release. Sorry you made your first gen chip so good that I don't feel the need to upgrade lol.

> Sorry you made your first gen chip so good that I don't feel the need to upgrade M1 MacBooks are ~5 years old at this point, and if you've been working a laptop hard for 5 years it's often worth getting an upgrade for battery life as well as speed.

um no; that's a reason to upgrade the battery, not get a new laptop

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by whynotminot »

tracker1 wrote: post #116

What really bugs me, is the huge performance gains are against the M1 and an (5-7yo chip) Intel Mac, that from my own memory had throttling and overheating issues. While not as impressive, I'd really appreciate if they simply showed the generational gains, or actual charts against several previous generations. I'm still pretty happy with my 16gb M1 Air, but it would be nice to know some closer to real world differenc…

> I'm still pretty happy with my 16gb M1 Air, but it would be nice to know some closer to real world differences.

I’m confused — they made a comparison that is directly relevant to your situation and you don’t like it?

Most people with an M4 won’t be looking to upgrade to an M5. But for people on an M1 (like you) or even an older Intel chip, this is good information!

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by leakycap »

DrProtic wrote: post #281
leakycap wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sorry you made your first gen chip so good that I don't feel the need to upgrade M1 MacBooks are ~5 years old at this point, and if you've been working a laptop hard for 5 years it's often worth getting an upgrade for battery life as well as speed.

Battery power on M1 16” was so good when new that even severely degraded is still pretty good.

I felt the same way about the battery in my 2018 MacBook ... it was losing capacity, but I didn't mind as it still ran for hours between charged.

Then it started having issues waking up from sleep. Only the OG Apple charger could wake it up, then it would see it actually had 40-60% battery but something had gone wrong while sleeping and it thought it was empty.

Intel MacBooks had terrible SMC issues, so maybe this won't afflict the M-series. Just sharing because I could still use that MacBook a few hours between charged, it just couldn't be trusted to wake up without a charger. That's really inconvenient and got me to upgrade combined with new features.

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by themagician »

apparent wrote: post #237
kondro wrote: post #197

Just give me cellular in a MacBook Air already Apple if you want me to insta-buy! Bonus points for OLED. Air’s don’t have to be just cheap. I want a thin and light premium laptop for walking around and a second Mac (of any type) for my desk.

Why carry around two cellular modems? Are you ever out and about with your computer but not your phone? I've been happy to hotspot my computers and tablets to my phone, which I always have with me. The only possible issue I can think of is battery life, but if I'm carrying around my laptop I can throw a charge cable in the bag to keep my phone juiced.

The pairing has become almost flawless as well. Years ago, it was slow and inconsistent, but now the hotspot feature is almost perfect and automatic. Honestly, I don’t really think about it anymore.

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by leakycap »

nektro wrote: post #285
leakycap wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sorry you made your first gen chip so good that I don't feel the need to upgrade M1 MacBooks are ~5 years old at this point, and if you've been working a laptop hard for 5 years it's often worth getting an upgrade for battery life as well as speed.

um no; that's a reason to upgrade the battery, not get a new laptop

How much would you charge me to swap out my MacBook Pro 2018 15.4" battery using authorized methods to not cause other damage? I want my laptop back within a few days, a 90 day warranty on parts and labor, and I want a genuine Apple battery - not some unknown 3rd party.

Re: M5 MacBook Pro

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Post by godelski »

skinnymuch wrote: post #284
0xfaded wrote: post #52

To any Linux users, I recently bought a fully loaded M4 MacBook pro to replace my aging Lenovo and strongly regret it. I thought I would use it for playing with LLMs, but local dev on a Mac is not fun and I still don't have it fully set up. I'll probably replace it with a framework at some point in the near future. Edit: okay, that garnered more attention than I expected, I guess I owe a qualification. 1. Everything…

My issue is how much I care about looks. If it’s not pretty, I have a harder time using stuff outside the CLI/TUI. Linux is too ugly for me to use as my main device. Same with what I’ve seen of Android.

I suggest you head over to /r/unixporn, and you'll probably be presently surprised. Contrary to popular belief, most of this stuff is not very hard to setup. Of course, there are people also showing off custom tooling and the craziest (and sometimes silliest) things they can pull off, but a beautiful interface is usually something you can do in under an hour. It is customary to include a repo with all configurations, so if you wanted to direct copy paste, you can do it much faster than that.

Unless you're talking about the look of the physical machine. Well then that's an easier fix ;)

https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/

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