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Rethinking Sleep

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Re: Rethinking Sleep

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So if you're used to sleeping for eight hours at a time...should you set your alarm for four hours, wake up, do something sedate for a while, and then go back to bed? Should it be more like 4.5 so that (in theory) it happens at the end of a 1.5-hour sleep cycle?

Re: Rethinking Sleep

#13

Anecdotally, adopting this pattern of sleep has helped with my workaholism and overall satisfaction. Before I was going to sleep somewhere in the range of 1:30am - 4:30am, depending on when I finished a project, and woke up between 9am - 10am. Now, I take a nap on most days, fall asleep around 11, wake up around 2:30am and do a little thinking and/or reading or most useful: note-taking. Then, I go back to sleep and w…

I currently have a sleep schedule similar to your previous schedule... work until I'm done with projects, usually Midnight to 2:00 am, sleep until 9 or 10 am. However I've noticed recently that I wake up nearly every night around 5 am, regardless of when I go to bed, and then I lay in bed irritated that I can't get back to sleep until around 7:30 am, then I doze off and wake up again around 10 am. So based upon your comments, and the article, I'll try getting up when I wake around 5 am and doing something productive, and then go back to bed around 7:30 am and get a few more hours of sleep. I don't know why, but I would have never considered doing that, I guess because I'm always irritated that I can't sleep in the middle of the night. My work environment would allow me to nap during the day, but I find it uncomfortable to sleep during the day.

Re: Rethinking Sleep

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Disclaimer: I'm going to reference a product I built. The science of sleep is a strange thing. Sleep is ubiquitous (after all, everyone needs to sleep), and almost everyone I know complains of being tired, or constantly groggy, or stressed due to the limited amount of sleep that they get every night. I know this particularly well, because I suffer from mild insomnia that keeps me awake far later than I should be. I t…

When you first posted about sleepyti.me here on HN, I was enduring a long phase where I was having a particularly hard time falling asleep at night. I would often lie in bed for two or three hours before I finally drifted off. Compounding the issue was my tendency to constantly measure and analyze how long I'd been trying and how much sleep I would (not) get if I fell asleep "now", always comparing those figures with factoids from articles I'd read about how much sleep we need, sleep cycles, etc. Then I came across this line on sleepyti.me's results page:

"The average adult human takes fourteen minutes to fall asleep, so plan accordingly!"

Now, instead of measuring my sleeplessness by the hour or by the sleep cycle, I started measuring by multiples of fourteen: "Okay, it's only been 28 minutes since I got in bed. That's only two times the average." "Now I'm at ten times the average. This is ridiculous." I started harboring a grudge towards all those "average" people who could fall asleep so quickly. I wondered if I was enough of a statistical outlier to skew the average up to fifteen or even sixteen minutes. I even began to begrudge _you_ for including that seemingly innocent statistic on a website intended to help people sleep better. I had no idea who you were, but I hated you for lodging that figure in my subconscious. These were the racing, irrational thoughts of my addled, sleep-deprived brain.

At the same time, in part because of that bit of trivia on your site, I started realizing that I had a real problem. My lack of sleep was affecting my concentration, my work, my relationships, pointing inevitably towards a long downward spiral that I desperately wanted to avoid. I began to critically examine my sleeping patterns, my sleeping environment, what I did every night and every morning, my diet—my whole life, in fact. Over the course of the next few months, I experimented with every variable I could think of.

I'm proud to say that today, I'm sleeping better than ever. I'm able to fall asleep much more easily, and my overall mood and outlook has improved considerably. It's by no means perfect though—it's very much an ongoing, concerted effort. For those of you enduring a similar struggle for sleep, here are a few of the things that made the biggest difference for me:

- Don't get hung up on numbers. Stop counting the minutes that you're not sleeping. Easier said than done for many of us, I know, but it's huge. Place digital alarm clocks and the like out of sight from your bed, and resist the urge to check the time on your phone.

- If you're on the computer late at night, use f.lux to automatically adjust the color temperature of your screen. The bright light of your LCD screen can mess with your body's natural rhythms, and f.lux helps to counter that. It took me a little while to get used to it, but once I did, I noticed a marked decrease in the "racing mind" syndrome when I used my computer right before bed. Here's the link: http://stereopsis.com/flux/

- Avoid caffeine after lunchtime. (This one will vary widely for different people, but since I'm a caffeine lightweight, it's pretty early in the day. Find your own cutoff.) Also try different caffeinated drinks. For instance, if I drink coffee at any time of the day, I'll likely have trouble sleeping that night, so I drink black tea almost exclusively.

- Don't go to bed on an empty stomach. I can't fall asleep if I'm hungry.

- Read! I started reading in bed every single night about a year and a half ago, and it's my favorite way to shut my brain off at the end of the day. Of course, certain books are better to fall asleep to—the best ones will keep you interested without being so engaging that you can't put it down. (I made the mistake of starting the Hunger Games at about 1:00am a couple of weeks ago, and I ended up reading the entire thing that night. I only got two hours of sleep before work the next morning.) Find what works for you.

- If I'm still having trouble falling asleep after reading, I will often "replay" the last couple chapters of whatever I read in reverse. See if you can remember everything that just happened and work your way back to where you started that night. I read about this trick somewhere on the web (amongst a bunch of other tips that didn't help), and it seems to work wonders for me. If you don't read at night, try recounting your day (even the boring stuff) backwards instead.

- Don't beat yourself up if you still struggle to sleep. It's okay, and it _will_ get better. (On that note, please consider seeing a doctor if your sleeplessness persists!)

Finally, to David: Thank you for building sleepyti.me. It serves a simple but significant purpose, and it does so elegantly. And while it fed my irrational, sleep-deprived hatred of non-insomniacs for a little while, it also became a catalyst for real change in my life.

Re: Rethinking Sleep

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Disclaimer: I'm going to reference a product I built. The science of sleep is a strange thing. Sleep is ubiquitous (after all, everyone needs to sleep), and almost everyone I know complains of being tired, or constantly groggy, or stressed due to the limited amount of sleep that they get every night. I know this particularly well, because I suffer from mild insomnia that keeps me awake far later than I should be. I t…

When you first posted about sleepyti.me here on HN, I was enduring a long phase where I was having a particularly hard time falling asleep at night. I would often lie in bed for two or three hours before I finally drifted off. Compounding the issue was my tendency to constantly measure and analyze how long I'd been trying and how much sleep I would (not) get if I fell asleep "now", always comparing those figures with…

"without being so engaging that you can't put it down"

I find re-reading (good, entertaining, no too serious) novels that I have already read before, works best. Since you have already read the thing previously, it's easier to put it down in the middle.

Re: Rethinking Sleep

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A. Roger Ekirch "Sleep We Have Lost: Pre-industrial Slumber in the British Isle" http://www.historycooperative.org/journals/ahr/106.2/ah00034... This is the seminal article on segmented sleep. Pretty fascinating stuff. And a shorter TED video: http://www.ted.com/talks/jessa_gamble_how_to_sleep.html

That Ekirch article is great reading. Thank you.

Re: Rethinking Sleep

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Disclaimer: I'm going to reference a product I built. The science of sleep is a strange thing. Sleep is ubiquitous (after all, everyone needs to sleep), and almost everyone I know complains of being tired, or constantly groggy, or stressed due to the limited amount of sleep that they get every night. I know this particularly well, because I suffer from mild insomnia that keeps me awake far later than I should be. I t…

When you first posted about sleepyti.me here on HN, I was enduring a long phase where I was having a particularly hard time falling asleep at night. I would often lie in bed for two or three hours before I finally drifted off. Compounding the issue was my tendency to constantly measure and analyze how long I'd been trying and how much sleep I would (not) get if I fell asleep "now", always comparing those figures with…

This is just personal experience, but I have a hunch that a lot of sleeplessness is also caused by weird schedules. In the weektime you get up at 6, you go out on Friday and sleep until noon, and then on Sunday get up by 10, and then back to 6 AM again on Monday. In high school and college, it used to take me about an hour to get to sleep, and I'd always wake up tired after hitting the snooze button for three, four times.

Since about half a year ago, I've been getting up every day at 6 (week or weekend and in the first weeks of trying this out, whether you're tired or not) and all my sleeping problems have disappeared. To make sure I don't think about it, I hit the shower first and then decide whether I want to go back to bed... which at that point, you never do. Not tired. Easy to fall asleep. Don't need caffeine in the morning to stay awake.

I know there's more to insomnia than just bad habits and I don't want to be the kind of guy who argues that sleep problems are "just inside of your head", but I do wonder whether the fact that sleep issues are so pervasive in our society might have to do with a lack of routine in most people's lives.

Re: Rethinking Sleep

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I read an interesting book a few years ago written by a guy exploring the different states our brain goes through during a twenty-four period; this included experimenting with polyphasic sleep. He spends (IIRC) a month living in a cabin in the wilderness, sleeping according to the rising and setting of the sun; after a week or so his body reset itself to a two-phase sleep cycle as described in the nytimes piece.

Overall a very enjoyable read: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Head-Trip-Fantastic-Through-Hours/dp...

Re: Rethinking Sleep

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post #12

So if you're used to sleeping for eight hours at a time...should you set your alarm for four hours, wake up, do something sedate for a while, and then go back to bed? Should it be more like 4.5 so that (in theory) it happens at the end of a 1.5-hour sleep cycle?

I don't think you should set an alarm ever if you can help it.

If the theory is that bi-phasic sleep is ideal and natural for us, you should fall into that pattern naturally. All you need to do is go to sleep around the time that the sun goes down. It's just that "easy".

Re: Rethinking Sleep

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Disclaimer: I'm going to reference a product I built. The science of sleep is a strange thing. Sleep is ubiquitous (after all, everyone needs to sleep), and almost everyone I know complains of being tired, or constantly groggy, or stressed due to the limited amount of sleep that they get every night. I know this particularly well, because I suffer from mild insomnia that keeps me awake far later than I should be. I t…

When you first posted about sleepyti.me here on HN, I was enduring a long phase where I was having a particularly hard time falling asleep at night. I would often lie in bed for two or three hours before I finally drifted off. Compounding the issue was my tendency to constantly measure and analyze how long I'd been trying and how much sleep I would (not) get if I fell asleep "now", always comparing those figures with…

One thing I want to emphasize here is f.lux. It works. In fact it works brilliantly – it has had a profound effect on my sleep quality of the last year.
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