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Re: FSF announces Librephone project

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Use the website. I’ve never seen a bank where a mobile app is the only option for remote access. If my bank did that, I’d switch banks.

In SE Asia, most banks I've used no longer offer any services other than through their app.

What about WhatsApp?

Re: FSF announces Librephone project

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> Practically, Librephone aims to close the last gaps between existing distributions of the Android operating system and software freedom. The FSF has hired experienced developer Rob Savoye (DejaGNU, Gnash, OpenStreetMap, and more) to lead the technical project. He is currently investigating the state of device firmware and binary blobs in other mobile phone freedom projects, prioritizing the free software work done…

Indeed, this is the right time. I really want to daily drive a linux phone, but i dont want to buy a used phone. I hope this brings more hardware support for newer phones.

I'm willing to suffer a rough beta or alpha experience, but let me use modern hardware of my choice.

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Ultimately, I don't think the most important challenge is in binary firmware blobs, but the software which people depend upon to run their lives. What does it matter if you can run a completely free software stack on your phone, if your bank software (or your required government ID, as is looking depressingly likely) requires you to run a Big Tech approved phone OS? Perhaps the FSF can't do much about that, but that…

If the government needs me to get a side phone for ID, I'll cross that bridge. For everyday use, I'm fine with having a "rogue" phone as my primary.

Re: FSF announces Librephone project

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Some banks require app confirmation for PC-initiated transactions, using play integrity requiring apps. Cause security, you know.

What kind of transactions require this? Normal bank transactions don't, right?

Depends on the bank's policies. Currently it tends to be when you transfer to a new destination and/or above a certain amount. I could certainly imagine a bank requiring it for every PC-initiated transaction as and when they reach a point where most normie customers are using their app.

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Transfer of more than a set amount between even your own accounts in different banks.

Between your own accounts is the main use-case because you typically can't transfer between different banks.

> you typically can't transfer between different banks

WTF? What kind of shitty banking system are you using?

Re: FSF announces Librephone project

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Ultimately, I don't think the most important challenge is in binary firmware blobs, but the software which people depend upon to run their lives. What does it matter if you can run a completely free software stack on your phone, if your bank software (or your required government ID, as is looking depressingly likely) requires you to run a Big Tech approved phone OS? Perhaps the FSF can't do much about that, but that…

If the government needs me to get a side phone for ID, I'll cross that bridge. For everyday use, I'm fine with having a "rogue" phone as my primary.

The next step will be for them to prevent you connecting to the cellular network.

Re: FSF announces Librephone project

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I think this is the right place to start. A free OS will empower developers to implement technical workarounds that could trick these apps into working there. If the OS is tightly controlled, we have no recourse. Even in the worst case scenario, we could use a cheap big-tech-approved phone for these applications (a glorified digital token) and use the free phone for everything else. When there's enough adoption and t…

And I feel like it undermines any effort to make free, featureful applications if the hardware itself can't be trusted.

Trusted to do what? Work against user's interests? Prevent user from even expressing their interests?
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