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Re: Why Your Customers Would Be Happier If You Charged More

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That's a little tautological, and kinda glib for me given the dilemma he describes. As you surely know, you're using "returns" in a technical sense. I'm awfully fond of free enterprise as well, but it is important to note that there are a lot of kinds of scarcity it doesn't fix, and many sorts of returns that it ignores or can't handle well. Infant mortality, for example, isn't well served by market mechanisms; babie…

Infant mortality, for example, isn't well served by market mechanisms I disagree more with this statement than any other statement ever made in good faith on Hacker News. Kids not dying is an outcome we urgently desire, right? There are a variety of products which support this outcome. One is "soap." Soap scarcity is a real phenomenon: some rooms that children are born in have no soap. Those rooms kill lots of childr…

Certainly there is a large contribution made by markets, but in the western world markets still failed to fully solve the problem, and it took government intervention in the mid 20th century to really push down the mortality numbers, which were still quite high despite the ready availability of soap. The biggest problem is that there were few doctors, hospitals, or vaccination facilities available in certain areas, especially rural areas and poor urban areas, where there wasn't enough money to attract such services. So there was a big push in the US, Canada, and Europe to subsidize healthcare penetration into such areas, by building rural clinics and posting doctors and nurses to such areas. That reduced rates of many previously endemic diseases, increased vaccination rates, and resulted in more children being born in hygienic settings with medical oversight.

A related problem, possibly just as big, was that there was very bad information available, especially again in rural areas; people just were not educated on best practices, and were wasting their money on snake oil while failing to take basic steps that actually work. The Canadian government started combatting that as early as the 1920s, by sending out public health nurses to give vaccines and help educate people in rural areas, and printing up pamphlets and books with information: http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/english/on-line-exhibits/healt...

Re: Why Your Customers Would Be Happier If You Charged More

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Whilst I agree with the basic thesis of "charge more and compete by providing value". The difficult part for me seems to be finding people who have money they can part with in the first place, you can't really sell somebody on the benefits of something they can't afford. I've recently been trying to pick up some part time freelance work to supplement my income and pick up a wider range of experience. So first stop wa…

This is extremely common. Since I was recently in the same situation as yourself, I thought I'd share what has been working for me and might work for you too.

The number one thing you have to understand is that your first few clients will be hard to get. There's no way around this. The good news is that once you start to have a history of successful projects, more and more people will start to come to you. This will happen, trust me.

Secondly, unless you're patio11, don't expect to be immune from the normal sales cycle. As engineers, we understand code and servers but not always business side of things. Business moves at its own pace: some companies move extremely quickly, some slower. The key is to manage your pipeline by continuously talking to potential clients and following up with them regularly and often. These companies have their own budgets and timelines to worry about.

"1/3 of projects you bid on you will never get, 1/3 you may get, and 1/3 you will always get." This is a saying that has kept me motivated through rough patches. The important thing is not to get discouraged and quit.

You will talk to a ton of people in your work. Don't be discouraged if you talk to 10 people and only 1 shows interest in potentially hiring you. You want to find the right clients, not land every client.

Don't work without a contract or MSA and SOW. This looks amateurish and can throw some potential clients off. Clients that don't want to hire you because of this are clients you really don't want.

Speaking of the above statement, never estimate "off the cuff". Always take the time to provide a thorough estimate with plenty of examples of what the client can expect. This reduces the amount of "sticker shock" a client can experience when you quote something off the top of your head. This is true in both email and phone/in-person conversations. I always redirect the conversation to what I can do for the company, rather than what I think something would cost if a client asks:

Client: '...so, how much do you think that'll cost?'

Me: 'Well, the Foobaz piece is a pretty good chunk of functionality and having that work fast and reliably is really important to keep your XYZ going. I'll also have to do some research on ABC so that we're both clear on exactly how this can help you out. Did you have any ideas on that?'

Finally, actionable advice: get out there and hustle. Pick an industry that regularly hires freelancers/consultants (creative agencies are huge in this space) and contact them directly. Email is usually fine, just make sure that you're brief, don't sound like you're mass emailing, and never ever email a bunch of people the same messages (ie send out individual emails). I use a combination of Rapportive (helps me guess email addresses for important individuals at a company) and Boomerang (lets me schedule outgoing messages).

Never ever email info@company.com or use their 'contact us' email form, always try to find a decision maker at the company to contact. LinkedIn is great for this.

Remember that you're not begging for work. You offer solutions to business problems and you're reaching to see if you can form a business relationship with them. Present what you do and how you can help what they're dealing with -right now-.

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As a freelance developer myself, and thanks to Patio11, I've always had the charge more mantra firmly placed at the front of my head. So it's a little disheartening to hear on the basis of what was said in this conversation, that I'm still selling myself short. Without the advice I've read here, I doubt I'd of lasted the four months I have so far... The hardest part of this "charge more" philosophy is finding the cli…

Yet today they stated they could get two developers for the price I was charging and would have to think about hiring me unless I was prepared to negotiate. And that, in of itself, is a negotiation tactic. It might be true - but it's much more likely to be a method of getting you to drop your rates. You set the top level at $dayrate. They've now set the bottom at $dayrate/2. They're now hoping for something less than…

This is heavy handed, as is the client using this type of negotiation tactic. It's not healthy to respond this way.

A better solution would be to respond: "Well, my rate is based on my experience with XYZ and because I've been in this industry a while. A lot of developers out there aren't interested in this kind of thing and don't understand what you're going through. Honestly, I hired a couple myself last year and it took more effort than I saved just trying to get them ramped up."

Then just smile and leave it at that. Sometimes the best response is to make your point and not get into a conversation about it.

Re: Why Your Customers Would Be Happier If You Charged More

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As a freelance developer myself, and thanks to Patio11, I've always had the charge more mantra firmly placed at the front of my head. So it's a little disheartening to hear on the basis of what was said in this conversation, that I'm still selling myself short. Without the advice I've read here, I doubt I'd of lasted the four months I have so far... The hardest part of this "charge more" philosophy is finding the cli…

Are you trading your time for money, or are you trading your expertise for money? If the answer is time, you might as well find a decent paying factory job and make widgets all day.

The thing is, companies don't want to write software, they want to fix business problems. Writing software is just a path to that. So yes, you may charge more but you also have experience with their business and you've been there, helping them solve their problems (at least I hope you have).

It's a hard pill to swallow, but a client that won't consider the quality/history versus cost argument isn't worth having. They will continuously second guess you and you will spend more time managing them than getting work done.

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I would have never paid any attention to Ramit unless he came with Patrick's seal of approval.

The problem is that I shudder inside a little every time I hear the word 'info product'. The whole industry is beset by frauds and hucksters, and I think that generally people are a little skeptical when they see yet another person making claims such as "I will teach you to be rich".

Ramit provides great, actionable advice in his content. The problem is that he sells himself the same way as everybody in his industry does. It's things like the way he speak to his sales site that puts a small part of me off and puts me on the defense.

Re: Why Your Customers Would Be Happier If You Charged More

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The market will, indeed, tend to allocate scarce resources (like the time of skilled engineers) onto the projects which get the highest return from utilizing those scarce resources. (I'm not saying this to nosetweak: despite this being one of the most important ideas of the last several hundred years -- a reproducible technique for ameliorating scarcity , holy cow -- it's either buried under the mechanics of demand/s…

That's a little tautological, and kinda glib for me given the dilemma he describes. As you surely know, you're using "returns" in a technical sense. I'm awfully fond of free enterprise as well, but it is important to note that there are a lot of kinds of scarcity it doesn't fix, and many sorts of returns that it ignores or can't handle well. Infant mortality, for example, isn't well served by market mechanisms; babie…

babies have no money

Correct. But parents have money and are very protective of babies.

Re: Why Your Customers Would Be Happier If You Charged More

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yet today they stated they could get two developers for the price I was charging and would have to think about hiring me unless I was prepared to negotiate. And that, in of itself, is a negotiation tactic. It might be true - but it's much more likely to be a method of getting you to drop your rates. You set the top level at $dayrate. They've now set the bottom at $dayrate/2. They're now hoping for something less than…

This is heavy handed, as is the client using this type of negotiation tactic. It's not healthy to respond this way. A better solution would be to respond: "Well, my rate is based on my experience with XYZ and because I've been in this industry a while. A lot of developers out there aren't interested in this kind of thing and don't understand what you're going through. Honestly, I hired a couple myself last year and i…

This is heavy handed, as is the client using this type of negotiation tactic. It's not healthy to respond this way.

Possibly I'm getting less mellow with age :-) My responses used to be more like yours, now I tend to be a bit more direct.

The ones who are approaching it purely as a negotiation tactic don't care or mind - they understand what the issues are and appreciate cutting to the chase.

The ones who really don't value my time I don't actually really want as clients...

However you approach it - and your approach is completely reasonable - the key realisation is that this isn't a question of the client not having the money to pay $dayrate. This is most likely a pure negotiation tactic to get a drop in the quoted rate.

Re: Why Your Customers Would Be Happier If You Charged More

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That's all wonderful form consultant's point of view, but if everyone reasoned like this guy, there would be no open source software, no cheap consumer software, everything would be SaaS and... well, I'm not sure I would want to see a world like that.

Why not open source software? They actually say something like "you can be free, but you can't be cheap". Making money with OSS is not easy, but there are certainly ways to do it.

And for cheap consumer software, it's just that you need to be really big to win money being cheap. You can't do it as a one man company.

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