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Re: American solar farms

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Post by bongodongobob »

bluedino wrote: post #97
bongodongobob wrote: post #67

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Yeah, in Oconto county Wisconsin, residents are all up in arms about a solar farm going up. It's the poorest county in the state and would bring in much needed money. The arguments against it are "this destroys farmland", "who will clean the snow off of it in winter", "I don't like how it looks", "static electricity will kill the crops around it", "it will raise the temperature of the surrounding area", "you can't re…

> It's the poorest county in the state and would bring in much needed money. What money? Power bills won't go down. The solar panel factories aren't in that county. The installers will be brought in from out of state contractors.

The contractors that build it and the jobs to maintain them.

Re: American solar farms

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Post by Forgeties79 »

fringol wrote: post #94
joshstrange wrote: post #84

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This exactly. People who I have seen make jokes at the WNBA's expense suddenly caring about the sanctity of the sport... I often wonder if they see the cognitive dissonance, probably not.

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>Most of the actual work to stop males from competing in women's sports,

Males who transition to female are not males. They are female/women. It is already not permissible for men to compete in women-only sports.

This became a national issue when many politicians and pundits saw a new vector to attack the trans community. We have heard it on campaign trails constantly for years now as if it’s some existential threat to the country. Your (incorrectly) characterizing it as some grassroots movement by concerned women across the nation who “simply don’t want men competing in women’s sports” is exactly what they hoped would happen over time because it gives them plausible cover.

Yes sports are a spectator event but I guarantee you not one of these people has watched women’s sports outside of exciting Olympic bids. They can’t name a single women’s soccer team in the US or a single star WNBA player. The sport is not the concern at all and we shouldn’t pretend it is.

Re: American solar farms

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Post by alexdns »

Geezus_42 wrote: post #38
alexdns wrote: post #19

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Well its not silent those panels go into MPPTs that produce noise when high amps are flowing through them to charge batteries if they don't direct export , if they direct export then there is noise from inverters to convert DC->AC

But is it honestly enough to notice if you live half a mile a way? Couldn't they just put up sound damping like the oil rigs do?

Well depends on where they are they might be obligated to put due to some noise polution law or they might not care because there is no such law

Re: American solar farms

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Post by ishtanbul »

FrustratedMonky wrote: post #49
ishtanbul wrote: post #41

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I work in the industry. Removing the tax breaks is having a material impact because we look at after tax cash flow. Next year installations are going to reduce meaningfully.

The articles about Solar cost reaching parity with Fossil. Is that before or after taxes?

Its probably referring to the price at which solar can sell power. In the middle of the day, its actually effectively $0 (no marginal cost). In nighttime, its infinite cost. Fossil fuels marginal cost is effectively the cost of fuel per MWh.

Re: American solar farms

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Post by fringol »

Forgeties79 wrote: post #122
fringol wrote: post #94

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>Most of the actual work to stop males from competing in women's sports, Males who transition to female are not males. They are female/women. It is already not permissible for men to compete in women-only sports. This became a national issue when many politicians and pundits saw a new vector to attack the trans community. We have heard it on campaign trails constantly for years now as if it’s some existential threat…

They are male, and retain male physiological advantage even if they undergo interventions like testosterone suppression. It's not the only route by which a male athlete with such advantage might compete in women's sport, nor is it an issue limited to the USA. This is a broader issue affecting the fairness of women's sport in competitions across the world.

For instance, all three medallists in the women's 800m at the 2016 Rio Olympics were male. They had been issued with female birth certificates by their home countries due to having underdeveloped external male genitalia - and therefore according to the rules at the time could enter as female - but they still benefited from testosterone-driven development.

World Athletics, and other sports governing bodies for other sports, have tightened their eligibility criteria in response to cases like this, and in light of evidence that male advantage is still retained even with pharmaceutical or surgical treatments. This has been an ongoing problem for much longer than US pundits have been bringing it up in relation to trans, and it's adversely affected many female athletes, from amateur leagues to international competition.

Re: American solar farms

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Post by dylan604 »

marcusb wrote: post #66
AlfeG wrote: post #18

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Because they are not silent. Or sometimes are not. Inverters do have quite large fans.

This is a very frivolous argument against solar farms given the amount of noise and other pollution emanating from regular farms. Farm-scale irrigation is not silent. Crop Dusters are not silent. Combines and other tractors are not silent. Burning fields are both not silent and release a tremendous amount of sooty smoke that spreads far beyond the boundaries of a farm. Farms make a lot of noise.

Crop dusters do not run 24/7, nor do the combines or other tractors.

Re: American solar farms

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Post by Forgeties79 »

mauvehaus wrote: post #69
Forgeties79 wrote: post #33

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Compared to literally every other way of generating power, they are relatively silent and unobtrusive. They also don’t poison the air around them which is pretty neat.

Yes, but the relevant comparison for the residents isn't to a coal plant, it's to the undeveloped field that the solar arrays replaced. Depending upon their other priorities, they may be upset about the loss of hunting access as well. Understandably, people putting up solar arrays don't want people firing guns in the middle of their arrays.

We have to make power somehow and they all want to use said power. It mostly just boils down to nimbyism at the end of the day. They are just unaware of (or don’t care about) areas like cancer alley where we dump all our mining/refining/processing/etc. in an already impoverished area that can’t push back the same way wealthy neighborhoods with social status can.

Re: American solar farms

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Post by Forgeties79 »

fringol wrote: post #125
Forgeties79 wrote: post #122

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>Most of the actual work to stop males from competing in women's sports, Males who transition to female are not males. They are female/women. It is already not permissible for men to compete in women-only sports. This became a national issue when many politicians and pundits saw a new vector to attack the trans community. We have heard it on campaign trails constantly for years now as if it’s some existential threat…

They are male, and retain male physiological advantage even if they undergo interventions like testosterone suppression. It's not the only route by which a male athlete with such advantage might compete in women's sport, nor is it an issue limited to the USA. This is a broader issue affecting the fairness of women's sport in competitions across the world. For instance, all three medallists in the women's 800m at the…

> They are male

No they are not. You can debate physical advantages but I won’t indulge transphobia. If you can’t stop then I have no desire to continue this discussion.

Re: American solar farms

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Post by cogman10 »

chasd00 wrote: post #50
dzonga wrote: post #45

the sad thing about this data is how politicized clean energy has become. the blue states have a lot of energy solar - while the red ones are sparse. the red ones get a lot of sun while the blue ones don't.

Texas is about as red as it gets and leads the nation in renewable energy including solar. Red or blue, if the gov can setup a situation where renewable energy is profitable then nature will take its course. https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/texas-tops-us-states...

Yup, my home state of Idaho also has a shockingly green energy portfolio. All of the PNW is like that because it's on a shared grid that has been primarily powered by hydro for as long as I've been alive.

And still, we've seen a massive amount of green energy installed here. Both windmills and solar farms.

Re: American solar farms

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Post by scarecrowbob »

rapind wrote: post #57
conception wrote: post #55

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I thought my statement was ridiculous enough to forgo the "/s".

Perhaps you're fortunate to run in different circles that I do, but I have heard that sentiment expressed similarly and unironically. Poe's Law and all...
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