Facebook Wants You To Snitch On Friends Not Using Their Real Name • Hacker News Board

Re: Facebook Wants You To Snitch On Friends Not Using Their Real Name

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Post by Karunamon » Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 2:51 AM UTC

quesera wrote: post #9

Karunamon wrote: post #3

FTA: Indeed, under the terms of the Snoopers Charter, it wouldn’t just be Facebook who could access this kind of information: the authorities could potentially set up a filter to gather data on people who don’t confirm the names of their friends Yes, and I could potentially sprout wings from my ass and become a travel carrier. The rest of this article is nothing more than a ton of thinly veiled fallacies, slippery sl…

This is not a website. This is a massive web of communications, past and present. This is not a wire tap without a permit, this is a permanent archive of every sniffle. Guys with warrants and/or guns get what they want, and Facebook has what they want. Does Mark Zuckerburg strike you as the kind of fella who will go to prison to fight for your privacy?

This is not a wire tap without a permit, this is a permanent archive of every sniffle

Uploaded willfully by the people concerned. What is hard to understand about "don't put something online you don't want others to have access to"? (Values of "others" change with the service involved.. but you'd have to be frankly, moronic to put something on a social network site and not expect it to be accessible to others, as well as authorities if they come knocking)

Re: Facebook Wants You To Snitch On Friends Not Using Their Real Name

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Post by Karunamon » Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 2:52 AM UTC

fleitz wrote: post #11

Karunamon wrote: post #3

FTA: Indeed, under the terms of the Snoopers Charter, it wouldn’t just be Facebook who could access this kind of information: the authorities could potentially set up a filter to gather data on people who don’t confirm the names of their friends Yes, and I could potentially sprout wings from my ass and become a travel carrier. The rest of this article is nothing more than a ton of thinly veiled fallacies, slippery sl…

What is a "real" name vs. one that is not "real"? Did you mean legal name? And if so does that exclude legal aliases? What about Madonna, is that her 'real' name?

Are you called "fleitz" in real life? No? That is not your real name then. It is a pseudonym.

This isn't rocket science.

Re: Facebook Wants You To Snitch On Friends Not Using Their Real Name

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Post by Karunamon » Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 2:53 AM UTC

AJ007 wrote: post #25

quesera wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a good example, but there are countless reasons why people cannot safely use their legal names in places like Facebook. They can elect not to participate, and Facebook can elect to prohibit them. Neither party really suffers any material damage, but it does frustrate some decent people.

I'd argue that people do suffer material damage by being blocked from using Facebook.

Could you elaborate?

Re: Facebook Wants You To Snitch On Friends Not Using Their Real Name

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Post by tedunangst » Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 2:57 AM UTC

law wrote: post #6

Karunamon wrote: post #3

FTA: Indeed, under the terms of the Snoopers Charter, it wouldn’t just be Facebook who could access this kind of information: the authorities could potentially set up a filter to gather data on people who don’t confirm the names of their friends Yes, and I could potentially sprout wings from my ass and become a travel carrier. The rest of this article is nothing more than a ton of thinly veiled fallacies, slippery sl…

> Did you agree to the rules of the party before joining? Yup. One of which is: "Use your real name". I signed up for Facebook in September 2004. I most certainly did not agree to that rule, because as far as I can recall, no such rule existed at the time. You may make the argument that my continued use of their service implies assent to any subsequent modifications to their terms of service, but that's an issue that…

Unless you had some agreement in place that the original tos was perpetual, I don't think you can do much about updated terms.

Re: Facebook Wants You To Snitch On Friends Not Using Their Real Name

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Post by nodemaker » Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 3:00 AM UTC

Smudge wrote: post #21

Enforcing real names has pros and cons. For Facebook as a business, the pros certainly outweigh the value lost when accounts can't be mapped directly to real people. Names are a key part of that mapping. In general, I prefer an option for pseudonymity, because it is much more inclusive (allowing certain people at the fringes to feel more comfortable joining in -- victims of abuse, political dissidents, etc), and is m…

One can also make the argument that the level of discourse is much higher on services where people are more personally accountable for what they say, and where confusing or offensive usernames don't get in the way of conversations.

Based on the level of discourse here on hacker news and even on reddit, I don't think one can reasonably say that.

Re: Facebook Wants You To Snitch On Friends Not Using Their Real Name

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Post by fl3tch » Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 3:08 AM UTC

w1ntermute wrote: post #19

maxerickson wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like it would be more sensible for them to use modified names inside the prison. Of course, they probably don't get to choose what name to use in the prison.

Seems to me that guards using fake names should be a matter of course in prisons.

I think judges have more to fear than prison guards.

Re: Facebook Wants You To Snitch On Friends Not Using Their Real Name

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Post by imroot » Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 3:09 AM UTC

fl3tch wrote: post #30

qq66 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that both guards and inmates should be assigned fake names in prison, or addressed simply by number, to avoid prison interactions spilling out of the prison and affecting prisoners' families etc. Of course, the danger with this is that abuses within prison would become harder to track and account for.

I going to guess that referring to inmates by numbers would be widely criticized as inhumane by many human rights groups. It would be an uphill battle to keep something like that going.

Inmates are commonly referred to by their number in prison -- as far as the prison system is concerned, they're not 'Leland Highsmith,' they're A319445 -- it's tied to their phone calls, commissary purchases, meal records, medicine records, and health records.

Re: Facebook Wants You To Snitch On Friends Not Using Their Real Name

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Post by fl3tch » Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 3:11 AM UTC

idunno246 wrote: post #23

I always wondered why google+ got all that bad press and facebook didn't for real names

I'm guessing it's because a culture and expectation of using real names had already been established on Facebook by the time the masses arrived, while privacy-conscious techies were the first G+ users.

Re: Facebook Wants You To Snitch On Friends Not Using Their Real Name

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Post by prodigal_erik » Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 3:17 AM UTC

Smudge wrote: post #21

Enforcing real names has pros and cons. For Facebook as a business, the pros certainly outweigh the value lost when accounts can't be mapped directly to real people. Names are a key part of that mapping. In general, I prefer an option for pseudonymity, because it is much more inclusive (allowing certain people at the fringes to feel more comfortable joining in -- victims of abuse, political dissidents, etc), and is m…

What Facebook and Google+ gain in politesse, they lose in depth and honesty. I can't assume I'll be held "accountable" in a just way by every prospective employer, apartment manager, or lover I'll ever meet, so these venues get empty pleasantries from me, certainly nothing controversial in any way.

Re: Facebook Wants You To Snitch On Friends Not Using Their Real Name

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Post by adgar » Sat, Sep 22, 2012, 3:20 AM UTC

asr wrote: post #8

Karunamon wrote: post #3

FTA: Indeed, under the terms of the Snoopers Charter, it wouldn’t just be Facebook who could access this kind of information: the authorities could potentially set up a filter to gather data on people who don’t confirm the names of their friends Yes, and I could potentially sprout wings from my ass and become a travel carrier. The rest of this article is nothing more than a ton of thinly veiled fallacies, slippery sl…

Agree with your larger point, but your tone is a bit argumentative. Also, civil disobedience doesn't mean what you think it means: much like civil disobedience, you have no right to complain once you are found to be breaking the law/policy and are punished for it Civil disobedience is all about breaking the law in order to maintain the right to complain. "Under a government which imprisons unjustly, the true place fo…

> your tone is a bit argumentative.

Are your feelings hurt because people are arguing? People use different tones in different contexts. Sometimes people need real pushback and not precious little snowflake coddling.