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Google blocks Android hack that let Pixel users enable VoLTE anywhere

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Re: Google blocks Android hack that let Pixel users enable VoLTE anywhere

#101

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Because the airwaves are a shared service license to the carriers. Like someone posted about Australia, there were laws made that if a phone couldn’t make emergency calls. It can’t be used. There is no monetary reason for Google to forbid a service that could increase its addressable market

Stop pretending Google was legally compelled to do this. So far not a single law against VoLTE has been cited.

Google did this because otherwise carriers would refuse access to Google Pixel phones entirely on their networks. Carriers are legally allowed to refuse access to devices they deem faulty on their networks.

Re: Google blocks Android hack that let Pixel users enable VoLTE anywhere

#102
Not entirely sure, but I heard that the "Pixel 911 bug" (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37714579) could be related to an IMS bug. Since operators are liable with regards to safety calls, maybe it explains why they would only allow tested devices to use IMS...

Re: Google blocks Android hack that let Pixel users enable VoLTE anywhere

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I wouldn't mind your servile attitude so much if it wasn't dragging the rest of us down with you. A key part of "may your chains set lightly upon you" was "go home from us".

Please avoid this type of maximalist rhetoric. There is clearly a public good to be served by making sure it's not easy to disrupt radio communications, especially by accident. Since any antenna, if not carefully controlled, can cause significant disruption in radio communication around it, it follows that it's a good thing, in principle, that users can't easily misuse their radio emitters to cause disruptions for ot…

I am not objecting to it not being allowed to jam radio/disrupt communications. I am objecting to corporations one-sidedly policing us, using said disruption as a mere excuse (or not even an excuse in this case - Google secretly patched this, without disclosing it in the patch notes).

Is it really an "extremist libertarian" position that corporations shouldn't abuse their backdoor access to our devices to enforce their whims? Or even that our property shouldn't enforce laws against us? Like mandating all cars come with a remote shutoff that police can use. It sounds like a totalitarian dystopia to me.

Re: Google blocks Android hack that let Pixel users enable VoLTE anywhere

#104

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Please avoid this type of maximalist rhetoric. There is clearly a public good to be served by making sure it's not easy to disrupt radio communications, especially by accident. Since any antenna, if not carefully controlled, can cause significant disruption in radio communication around it, it follows that it's a good thing, in principle, that users can't easily misuse their radio emitters to cause disruptions for ot…

I am not objecting to it not being allowed to jam radio/disrupt communications. I am objecting to corporations one-sidedly policing us, using said disruption as a mere excuse (or not even an excuse in this case - Google secretly patched this, without disclosing it in the patch notes). Is it really an "extremist libertarian" position that corporations shouldn't abuse their backdoor access to our devices to enforce the…

The point is that, according to the law a sit stands, a device manufacturer that knowingly ships a device that can be used to accidentally jam communications is breaking the law. Not only is the device manufacturer allowed to modify the device to prevent this, they are compelled by the law to take reasonable steps to do so. Automatic updates are such a reasonable step (and note, you can refuse to install updates on your Android phone - of course, you'll miss out on security updates as well, and may not be able to run certain apps if you're too far out of date). The exact same thing is true of cars.

If a car manufacturer realized that they accidentally left a button in your car that allows you to leak oil, they would have to issue a recall, and any service shop that worked on your car would be obligated to remove said button to make your car work - at the auto maker's expense, of course. The service checkup is the equivalent of the online update on your phone: you're not forced to do it, but many things will stop working if you do, and illegal features will be removed from your car at the checkup.

Of course, I agree that the patch here is not at the same level as an easy way to accidentally jam nearby radios. However, the general legal principle is the same: the argument "Google can't legally modify my property in ways I don't want when I install an update" isn't true, because they can and should have this power in certain cases. That the particular case of enabling VoLTE despite the carrier settings disallowing it doesn't warrant this power simply means that this case should be fought by different arguments, not by a general principle that simply doesn't exist in law.

Re: Google blocks Android hack that let Pixel users enable VoLTE anywhere

#105

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That still uses their infrastructure at some point, as you are still using your carrier's phone number when you make a VoWiFi call.

Yeah, but what’s the problem they’re trying to avoid? Bad SIP implementation not working with their servers? Just text the user: “Hey, you’re using an unsupported VoWiFi stack, if it breaks – that’s on you.”

I don't know, and I haven't seen any explanation either, malicious or otherwise.

Re: Google blocks Android hack that let Pixel users enable VoLTE anywhere

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> that toggle is enabled for my carrier... but only on iOS WiFi calling with SIM1 number via SIM2 data has always worked on iOS, so I was surprised when it didn't work on Pixel.

This does work on Pixel's, but Google allowed carriers to block it, which at least one major US carrier does.

It would be great if google could dick swing on carriers with the same might as Apple

Re: Google blocks Android hack that let Pixel users enable VoLTE anywhere

#107

I do not see a rational reason why a mobile carrier should have any say in which connectivity technology is enabled for use with its mobile network on a particular phone model. It should work based on standards, mobile carrier's capabilities and phone's capabilities. If a phone supports capability X, such as VoLTE, then it should just work with all mobile carriers that support that capability. No conditions. As an im…

It's not even the mobile carrier that has a say, it's just Google. If Google doesn't sell the phone in a country, they just disallow the feature for everyone, instead of just allowing it as long as the carrier supports it. The carrier doesn't mind (if they did, they'd block by IMEI and the workaround wouldn't have worked)

That sounds like a regulation thing, that Google must follow. I doubt Google wants to implement complicated region blocking code.

Re: Google blocks Android hack that let Pixel users enable VoLTE anywhere

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This phone/carrier nonsense is just stupid. I had lots of trouble with Wi-Fi calling on Android phones: * A phone purchased outside US/unlocked but non mainstream (aka not Samsung/Pixel) phone purchased in the US cannot enable Wi-Fi calling despite having hardware & software support for it, as it's not a supported model * An at&t Samsung phone that is later unlocked cannot enable Wi-Fi calling when using a Visible SI…

> Not to mention the voicemail mess. On Android, each carrier provides their own voicemail app that is not integrated with the phone app. This doesn't seem to be the case for T-Mobile US prepaid?

It's the case for Google itself. I use Google voice for voicemail, not my carrier, and it's not possible to get voicemail in the phone app.
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