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> The UK benefits from the royal family allowing the use of their land, including historic buildings, at a relatively low cost. How does the UK benefit from the royal family allowing this, rather than just having a non-monarchist government that does the same thing?
Does doing away with the monarchy also mean confiscating their property?
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I wouldn't mind seeing the British monarchy get abolished as well. It's far outlived any purpose it may have had. Even without them actually participating in government they are basically just celebrities living off the social welfare of the people.
At this point the British royals are basically tourist attractions. They probably generate more revenue than they consume.
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You’re spot on. I haven’t heard a clear answer yet about why ‘King Red’ is bad and the prior ‘King Blue’ is any different.
Have you looked outside or read the news? Never in my lifetime (33) have we seen such government violence against the mass public... only thing I can see similarity was the fight for 14th amendment and civil rights act before I was born. Also an evolution of 9/11 patriot act and ndaa expansions... People have been conspiracy theorizing for YEARS about ice expanding authority within 100 miles of the border and doing w…
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You’re spot on. I haven’t heard a clear answer yet about why ‘King Red’ is bad and the prior ‘King Blue’ is any different.
It's not about King red or blue. It's about what the current president is doing right now that is completely unprecedented.
I am confident I should be able to find some equally disturbing atrocities from the other side of the aisle. If you study a little history ( from outside your personal media bubble ). You’ll find that no party has a monopoly on shockingly bad behavior.
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> The UK benefits from the royal family allowing the use of their land, including historic buildings, at a relatively low cost. How does the UK benefit from the royal family allowing this, rather than just having a non-monarchist government that does the same thing?
Does doing away with the monarchy also mean confiscating their property?
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Good comment. There is a trade-off between principle and loyalty, and "rule of law" puts the dial hard over to "principle". The mechanism behind its success is that it puts a society solidly into the "cooperate" Nash equilibrium. (Loyalty, by contrast, puts a society solidly into the "defect" equilibrium). I suspect that Christianity, taken broadly, also pushes the dial hard over to "principle". First, it "undermines…
Only Christianity? none of the other religions? It's funny pushing religion on a Thomas Payne post since he rejected religion as corrupt and irrational.
It’s not just “kings,” its concentration of power in all spheres of life. The fact that this point is largely lost on the audience of this site just shows how bad things have gotten. People who want to amass power for its own sake need self-reinforcing systems that restrain them.
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!”
One funny fact about the “No Kings” protests held abroad is that they were called “No Tyants” so as to not be interpreted as anti-monarchist.
I wouldn't mind seeing the British monarchy get abolished as well. It's far outlived any purpose it may have had. Even without them actually participating in government they are basically just celebrities living off the social welfare of the people.
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I was a fairly ardent anti-monarchist. The problem is, I had put my faith in politicians to unite the UK. The problem is, there isn't much mileage in uniting the UK at the moment, or competence in government. The only real way that the monarchy can survive is if the kingdom stays united. Also, president boris, stamer or farage is just a humiliation I can't really cope with.
> Also, president boris, stamer or farage is just a humiliation I can't really cope with. I always tell people I don't actually want to risk an elected presidency until Jeremy Clarkson is too old to run for it.
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The older I get the more I appreciate the value of a shared mythology. In some cases that is religion. Or a creed, as it was for a long time in America. But I think it is very valuable to have it for a healthy functioning society. It feels like we have lost it in America, which does not make me optimistic for the future. I wonder if the monarchy serves that role for the UK. Might be better to keep it.
The monarchy is demonstrably powerless and unwilling to fight the destruction of UK democracy. Right-wing populism has infiltrated all sides of the political landscape there, and with it all the self-destructing ideas we have come to love: defunding of all public services, increase in policing and control, destruction of worker protections, tax cuts for the rich, tax increase for the poor, etc. I live in France, our…