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No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by hedora »

quectophoton wrote: post #6

Surprisingly, something I still haven't seen anywhere is having a "choice" with three buttons like: - "Yes" -> Consent. - "No" -> Popup asks you again some time later. - "Don't ask again" -> Meaning "Yes, and don't ask again".

I really want to see a tweak to the California and EU privacy rules that requires opting in to data collection / sharing to be at least as hard as opting out.

For the first 5 years, the processes would be swapped, and set in stone. So, you'd need to call a number, sit on hold and be disconnected a few times to get a mailing address. Then you'd buy some stamps and an envelope if you want to submit a "Please sell my personal information" form. Grocery stores would charge you more if you used a loyalty card, and so on.

Of course, a better approach would make the collection, sale, querying, possession of, and engaging in transactions involving consumer marketing databases illegal. (All those protections are needed since Google redefined "sell personal information" to not include any of their revenue streams.)

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by rolph »

izacus wrote: post #18

Can someone answer why is this ok on iOS and macOS but not Windows? They all provide backup via their own paid clouds and ask for an opt-in.

you sort of, answered your own question. the lack of user value for microsoft is a keystone.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keystone_(architecture)

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by hedora »

izacus wrote: post #18

Can someone answer why is this ok on iOS and macOS but not Windows? They all provide backup via their own paid clouds and ask for an opt-in.

Does iOS constantly (multiple times a day) spam you if you don't enable backup?

(I've had it turned on for so long that I honestly don't know what they do.)

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by anonymars »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #20
vee-kay wrote: post #2

Instead of Windows Backup (which relies on M$ OneDrive), you can enable (in Control panel settings) and use Windows File History. File History is a backup feature in Windows that automatically saves copies of your files from specific folders, like Documents and Pictures, to an external drive or network location. It allows you to restore previous versions of your files if they are lost or damaged. To enable File Histo…

That's cool, I didn't know about this, I'll see if it might be simpler than something I hooked up with a bash script.

wbadmin is the GOAT. Multi version snapshots of the drives, which you can easily mount as they are vhdx

Sadly some of the potential is gimped (point in time restore of individual files) but in a pinch you can grab an eval copy of Server and run it in Hyper-V, attach the backup drive to that, and do it that way

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by vee-kay »

hedora wrote: post #9
vee-kay wrote: post #2

Instead of Windows Backup (which relies on M$ OneDrive), you can enable (in Control panel settings) and use Windows File History. File History is a backup feature in Windows that automatically saves copies of your files from specific folders, like Documents and Pictures, to an external drive or network location. It allows you to restore previous versions of your files if they are lost or damaged. To enable File Histo…

I think you're missing the point. There are plenty of better backup solutions for windows, and the vast majority of them are not Microsoft products.

I am pointing out that existing Windows feature (File History) exists as alternative to Windows Backup (which requires Microsoft OneDrive, which is free only upto 5GB of cloud storage).

You are the one missing the point by suggesting off-the-shelf backup solutions.

For corporate users, getting off-the-self solution as alternatives (even if it's open-source) software may not be easy (corporates typically have strict controls on what software they allow for users, and usually they contractually need to reveal to customers if they are using open-source software), but they can use File History for free, by setting it to back it up to a network path/drive if their IT admins permit.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by ramon156 »

badsectoracula wrote: post #12

May i suggest some solutions? :-P -> https://endof10.org/ (it has a map with people who can help install Linux) -> https://www.opensuse.org/ (what i'm using on my PCs, works fine for the most part[0]) -> https://www.linuxmint.com/ (people seem to like this) -> https://bazzite.gg/ (seems to be popular with gamers) -> https://www.debian.org/ (almost everything is based on this :-P) [0] for the most part because nothing…

May I suggest you give fedora a go? It still feels like the most mature distro out there, but I can be biased

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by rolph »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #11

In Ubuntu I turn off motd ads, in Windows I turn off this stuff, it doesn't come back, I only remember it exists when I see the outrage journalism headlines. I don't see why more people don't just take the steps to remove annoyances.

the problem is MS keeps taking steps to resurrect those annoyances.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by kibwen »

hedora wrote: post #4

This stuff is increasingly normalized across platforms. I'd say "vote with your wallet", but when all the tech platforms are doing it, there's not much choice. PCs / laptops are probably the last hold out: Just switch to Linux (but be careful which distro you pick) or MacOS (for now). The political pendulum is going to swing far left in the US given the disasters that are playing out in DC. Hopefully this sort of cra…

> or MacOS (for now)

Reminder that Apple's revenue from ads is in the billions and climbing at an accelerating pace. The enshittification comes for all. They don't need to be good, they just need to be better than Microsoft.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by bearjaws »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #11

In Ubuntu I turn off motd ads, in Windows I turn off this stuff, it doesn't come back, I only remember it exists when I see the outrage journalism headlines. I don't see why more people don't just take the steps to remove annoyances.

You can plug your ears and close your eyes, but Microsoft is becoming increasingly adversarial to their customers.

It's clear they want to remove local accounts and tie everything to O365.

My mom (68 yo) recently got a Windows update that then prompted her to backup her stuff. I had disabled all this and used Win11 debloat previously. OneDrive only had 5gb of storage and prompted her to upgrade.

She thought she got hacked because it was asking for money. Then when I went to turn it off it warned me that I might suffer data loss disabling one drive. Which is a story that we have seen play out many times.

Sure enough I backed everything up to an external drive, and when I disabled OneDrive the files were totally gone.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/5309251/...

https://www.reddit.com/r/techsupport/comments/1ef8pgr/one_dr...

https://www.elevenforum.com/t/i-tried-to-disable-onedrive-lo...

So sure, you can get around it, but there are going to be hundreds of millions of other people who won't.

Re: No I don't want to turn on Windows Backup with One Drive

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Post by amelius »

hedora wrote: post #4

This stuff is increasingly normalized across platforms. I'd say "vote with your wallet", but when all the tech platforms are doing it, there's not much choice. PCs / laptops are probably the last hold out: Just switch to Linux (but be careful which distro you pick) or MacOS (for now). The political pendulum is going to swing far left in the US given the disasters that are playing out in DC. Hopefully this sort of cra…

My Android tablet keeps bugging me about updates and what not. Wish I could install my preferred flavor of Linux on it, but it seems infeasible at this moment.
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