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Re: LineageOS 23

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Post by onli »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #45

Well, this looks nice. Tons more devices than Graphene or Postmarket supported. Which hardware should one get to run this? Which hardware is reasonably ethical? Perhaps the Fairphone 5? There are lots of choices from Motorola and OnePlus but I know nothing about them. (Well I remember the old Moto up to Y2k.) Not sure where to buy them.

With reasonable ethical you indeed might want to look into the Fairphones. The Fairphone 6 was reviewed as being a nice improvement over the 5. I'd expect LineageOS to land on that device some time in the future, after all the prior three models are supported. You could wait for that, or settle for the 5.

If you want something cheap and easy instead of the Fairphone, the Motorola moto g 5G (2024) looks good. Supported by LineageOS 23.0 and also on the list of calyx devices, https://calyxos.org/docs/guide/device-support/#modern-device..., with vendor security updates till 2027 (though calyx is on pause, that's me only hoping the device list will still apply afterwards, would be an interesting additional option). Not available in my market though, or just hard to find with that name given the other similarly named motorola phones.

OnePlus 12R is one of the newest phones that is supported, and will get vendor updates until 2028. No headphone jack and no sd card slot though.

Ethical does not describe the OnePlus and Motorola phones. But anything used could be judged as such, since you then at least did not add to the garbage pile of unrepairable devices directly - but they are a bit new for that maybe. On the other hand, vendor security updates don't exist for many of the older devices (especially those from Motorola, they churn out new devices by the dozens and almost immediately abandon them), and the new EU regulations that force vendors to provide security updates only apply to new devices.

Re: LineageOS 23

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Post by microtonal »

AbraKdabra wrote: post #6
le-mark wrote: post #4

LineageOS is an open source android distribution. Can anyone comment on who might use LineageOS and why?

I have a Samsung Tablet and Samsung's version for said tablet is a giant mountain of crap, full of bloatware, so I installed LineageOS on it. Also my old phone and my old old phone run LineageOS because I'm just logged in to Google on my {current_phone}.

It's worth mentioning that newer Samsung phones and tablets have an eFuse that is blown when you unlock them. This permanently disables some functionality of their separate secure element (IIRC). If you are planning to run LineageOS forever, it would probably not be a big issue, but if you just want to try a third-party OS or ever resell the device, it could be an issue.

Re: LineageOS 23

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Post by peanut-walrus »

drnick1 wrote: post #70
peanut-walrus wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost all major streaming services will refuse to work on unapproved devices.

You don't "streaming services" when you can open a Web browser and stream from the high seas, or download NewPipe from F-Droid, or download Jellyfin and stream local content.

In that case just go with Libreelec.

Re: LineageOS 23

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Post by microtonal »

sandreas wrote: post #44
le-mark wrote: post #4

LineageOS is an open source android distribution. Can anyone comment on who might use LineageOS and why?

My personal take is that most Android devices no longer get updates pretty soon after the release (where pretty soon means 2-3 years). Google promises 7 years of support for their newer devices, but most vendors don't. LineageOS is, besides the fact hat it is more open for non google stuff, providing Android Updates for older devices. While this does not necessarily provide better security (rooted devices are often n…

Google promises 7 years of support for their newer devices, but most vendors don't.

Unless you have a Pixel 6 and your security update goes missing?

(Didn't get the July security update and the October update is still missing? https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/1o2bhur/where_... )

Re: LineageOS 23

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Post by riedel »

botanical76 wrote: post #47

Note, GrapheneOS seems to have been able to secure partner access to Android early security releases, but this comes with the cost that the source used to make these special "01" builds is private until general availability. This might not be a tradeoff that LineageOS is willing to take; GrapheneOS has provided the option on a recommended opt-in basis. https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/27068-grapheneos-security-p...

The bad thing in general is the dependence on Google policy for all AOSP distros. Joining those programs might long term worsen the situation.

IMHO, it could be worth the fight if GrapheneOS could win their (rather legal/lobbying) battle to obtain play integrity certification by following security closely (which is a joke IMHO because EOL phones with not updates for years also get integrity). Google releasing easily diffable security only bytecode sets, seems like a security nightmare for everyone else.

All of those distros suffer from the reliance of Google to release anything, so they in one way or the other they play the game. Particularly Lineage heavily does 'self-censoring' to comply without much benefit IMHO. We really would need e.g. does not even include the keys for providing alternative web views or the ability to switch the location provider. While google has those capabilities, they only support services sending data to their own servers.

I used lineage as my daily driver since the CyanogenMod days and the HTC desire, but switched to a Google Pixel a few month back, because I felt I had lost the play integrity fight and although my great Redmi Note 10 Pro was running other like a charm thanks to lineage and the device maintainers (Daniel and Aryan), I personally could not invest time and cognitive capacity anymore.

More and more device manufacturers are locking down their bootloaders again. I hope someone can break the momentum and finds a way to break the OS duopoly.

Re: LineageOS 23

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Post by microtonal »

whatevaa wrote: post #56
Incipient wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren't there are a few modem vendors? MediaTek, Intel, and a bunch of Chinese players?

No? Especially since you mentioned Intel, who sold their modem business to Apple.

Care to elaborate? Intel might have been sold, but there is still Mediatek, Samsung, and the aforementioned Chinese vendors?

Re: LineageOS 23

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Post by maelito »

I'll have to do the update through my computer with ADB.

As long as it'll be the case, Lineage will never be more popular.

But thanks for the great fork. It's already enormous.

Re: LineageOS 23

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Post by bestouff »

drnick1 wrote: post #72
bestouff wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a build for RPi5, I didn't try it yet but intend to do it soonish. https://konstakang.com/devices/rpi5/

I'd be curious to see how that works out. One of the main advantages of the Pi is that it supports HDMI-CEC. However, I am seen reports that it struggles with 4K playback at more than 30fps. Even 60Hz isn't great if you have a modern TV and want to use SteamLink to play Steam games running on your PC from your couch.

My usecase is watching movies from my couch, so I guess it's more than OK.

Re: LineageOS 23

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Post by saaspirant »

Somewhat related:

I could never get adb in my M1 Air (Tahoe and Sonoma too) to detect any android devices.

I have an OnePlus Nord CE 2 Lite 5G.

Same cable and everything works fine on Ubuntu and Windows machines.

The phone is not getting detected in the "System Information" either.

Tried MTP, PTP, USB Debugging, OTG everything.

Anyone faced this issue?

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