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Re: LineageOS 23

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Post by Grazester »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #48
drnick1 wrote: post #43

It's great to see Android TV mentioned. Has anyone managed to build a freedom-respecting TV box with Lineage? This is a much needed alternative to "smart" TVs and streaming boxes filled with spyware and arbitrary restrictions.

This! Looks like LineageOS supports various iterations of the Nvidia Shield device. What I'm wondering is whether this new Catapult launcher is compatible with Android TV that comes with off the shelf Smart TVs. I've grown accustomed to the default screen on my current TV's in-built Google TV (not Android TV, although I'm not totally sure of the difference), but it does enforce at least one additional click to get to…

This is it for the non-Pro models only since they come with 3 USB-A ports

Re: LineageOS 23

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Post by drnick1 »

bestouff wrote: post #67
drnick1 wrote: post #43

It's great to see Android TV mentioned. Has anyone managed to build a freedom-respecting TV box with Lineage? This is a much needed alternative to "smart" TVs and streaming boxes filled with spyware and arbitrary restrictions.

There's a build for RPi5, I didn't try it yet but intend to do it soonish. https://konstakang.com/devices/rpi5/

I'd be curious to see how that works out. One of the main advantages of the Pi is that it supports HDMI-CEC. However, I am seen reports that it struggles with 4K playback at more than 30fps. Even 60Hz isn't great if you have a modern TV and want to use SteamLink to play Steam games running on your PC from your couch.

Re: LineageOS 23

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Post by drnick1 »

edent wrote: post #66
madduci wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be happy if any of the big phone makers will starting adopting LineageOS or GrapheneOS as the main operating system for some of their models. Or just leave the possibility of easy unlock the phone and publish sources.

BQ tried that with Cyanogen (the precursor to Lineage) https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/bq-aquaris-x5 As did WileyFox - https://www.xda-developers.com/wileyfox-to-issue-update-to-m... They were both budget brands with niche offerings. For most people, the source of the OS is immaterial. There's very little competitive advantage to selling a forked OS, and a rather large downside in terms of support costs. I'm m…

> I'm mostly happy with my GrapheneOS device - but it is absolutely not suitable for mass market.

What makes you say that? I run GrapheneOS on a Pixel and had to go through the relative simple flashing process, but if GOS came preinstalled on a device anybody familiar with Android (or even iOS) would be able to use it. Compatibility with Android apps is great too.

Re: LineageOS 23

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Post by anthk »

edent wrote: post #66
madduci wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would be happy if any of the big phone makers will starting adopting LineageOS or GrapheneOS as the main operating system for some of their models. Or just leave the possibility of easy unlock the phone and publish sources.

BQ tried that with Cyanogen (the precursor to Lineage) https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/bq-aquaris-x5 As did WileyFox - https://www.xda-developers.com/wileyfox-to-issue-update-to-m... They were both budget brands with niche offerings. For most people, the source of the OS is immaterial. There's very little competitive advantage to selling a forked OS, and a rather large downside in terms of support costs. I'm m…

I had that phone, too bad it died.

Re: LineageOS 23

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Post by edent »

drnick1 wrote: post #73
edent wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BQ tried that with Cyanogen (the precursor to Lineage) https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/bq-aquaris-x5 As did WileyFox - https://www.xda-developers.com/wileyfox-to-issue-update-to-m... They were both budget brands with niche offerings. For most people, the source of the OS is immaterial. There's very little competitive advantage to selling a forked OS, and a rather large downside in terms of support costs. I'm m…

> I'm mostly happy with my GrapheneOS device - but it is absolutely not suitable for mass market. What makes you say that? I run GrapheneOS on a Pixel and had to go through the relative simple flashing process, but if GOS came preinstalled on a device anybody familiar with Android (or even iOS) would be able to use it. Compatibility with Android apps is great too.

Off the top of my head:

Lots of banking apps don't work.

RCS has only just started working.

No "Find My Device" support.

Permissions model is difficult to understand - even I struggle with it.

Standard launcher has tiny icons which can't be adjusted.

Pop on to https://discuss.grapheneos.org/ and see the struggles which users have.

Re: LineageOS 23

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Post by timschumi »

botanical76 wrote: post #47

Note, GrapheneOS seems to have been able to secure partner access to Android early security releases, but this comes with the cost that the source used to make these special "01" builds is private until general availability. This might not be a tradeoff that LineageOS is willing to take; GrapheneOS has provided the option on a recommended opt-in basis. https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/27068-grapheneos-security-p...

As far as I have heard they have not actually secured partner access for themselves, they just got someone who has access to break their NDA.

Re: LineageOS 23

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Post by pndy »

AbraKdabra wrote: post #6
le-mark wrote: post #4

LineageOS is an open source android distribution. Can anyone comment on who might use LineageOS and why?

I have a Samsung Tablet and Samsung's version for said tablet is a giant mountain of crap, full of bloatware, so I installed LineageOS on it. Also my old phone and my old old phone run LineageOS because I'm just logged in to Google on my {current_phone}.

Can you tell which tablet is that? I'm lurking around and wondering if I should pick Samsung one once iPad battery dies out

Re: LineageOS 23

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Post by Arnavion »

tiku wrote: post #40

Any way to get this to run in a VM? Or should I give up and buy a phone that can handle it and use it through remote desktop tools?

Yes, I run Waydroid (LineageOS in a Linux container) in an Ubuntu x86_64 VM on my home PC using their default installation method, plus libhoudini via https://github.com/casualsnek/waydroid_script to be able to run arm64-only apps, and waypipe the UI to my (Linux) phone that is connected to my home LAN via Wireguard.

I used to run Waydroid directly on the phone, but the phone has terrible specs and Waydroid had become frustrating in the last few months, when it updated its LineageOS image to a new Android version. It would frequently crash or pop up an infinite series of "app is not responding" dialog boxes, even though whatever app it was was responding just fine. With my new VM + waypipe setup, Waydroid launches in ~10s instead of ~3 minutes, and everything is reasonably snappy despite now traveling over the network, so I'm happy.

Re: LineageOS 23

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Post by timschumi »

tiku wrote: post #40

Any way to get this to run in a VM? Or should I give up and buy a phone that can handle it and use it through remote desktop tools?

There is a guide on how to set up LineageOS for libvirt (i.e. QEMU) [1], but there exist no prebuilt images at this point in time.

[1] https://wiki.lineageos.org/libvirt-qemu

Re: LineageOS 23

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Post by pndy »

andrepd wrote: post #7

> And I heard that Google stopped pushing Pixel source? > Yes, Google has pulled back here too. Pixel kernels are now only offered as history-stripped tarballs, available privately on request, with no device trees, HALs, or configs. Thanks to projects like CalyxOS, Pixels will likely remain well supported, but they’re no longer guaranteed “day one” devices for LineageOS. Pixel devices are now effectively no easier to…

If you look at EU and its inaction over Microsoft privacy shenanigans with Win10 and 11. How it spins around Apple and cannot enforce them to fully open their mobile operating system then I sadly have little hopes they can do anything regarding Google and their recent decisions around Play store and 3rd party apps.

I wish something could be done but sadly feels like regular people have to climb mountains to protect themselves while corporations just come in by front door with lucrative deals in order to protect their status-quo

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