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Re: LineageOS 23

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Over recent user privacy (and security) crackdowns from Google, these OS upgrades seem to be becoming more appealing. Can anyone comment on what differs Lineage from something like GrapheneOS?

Graphene is probably better on the devices that support both (Pixels), but since hardware support is so (intentionally) limited, it kind of a moot point. Also the Graphene community is kind of obsessed with "security" and does not seem to place much emphasis on freedom/hackability.

Re: LineageOS 23

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post #40

Any way to get this to run in a VM? Or should I give up and buy a phone that can handle it and use it through remote desktop tools?

Waydroid runs Lineage, so it's certainly possible, but I don't know how easy it is on something like QEMU.

That being said buying a phone compatible with Lineage or Graphene (only Pixels for the latter) is well worth it. This will probably become even more important in the future if Google bans sideloading or complies with idiotic laws such client-side scanning of messages in some markets.

Re: LineageOS 23

#43
It's great to see Android TV mentioned. Has anyone managed to build a freedom-respecting TV box with Lineage? This is a much needed alternative to "smart" TVs and streaming boxes filled with spyware and arbitrary restrictions.

Re: LineageOS 23

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post #4

LineageOS is an open source android distribution. Can anyone comment on who might use LineageOS and why?

My personal take is that most Android devices no longer get updates pretty soon after the release (where pretty soon means 2-3 years). Google promises 7 years of support for their newer devices, but most vendors don't.

LineageOS is, besides the fact hat it is more open for non google stuff, providing Android Updates for older devices. While this does not necessarily provide better security (rooted devices are often not considered as secure), you still get the newer Androids security patches and FEATURES. Furthermore you are more open to do what you want.

However LineageOS does to my knowledge not support bootloader re-locking on most devices, which might be a security risk (see https://grapheneos.org/install/web#locking-the-bootloader).

Re: LineageOS 23

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Well, this looks nice. Tons more devices than Graphene or Postmarket supported.

Which hardware should one get to run this? Which hardware is reasonably ethical? Perhaps the Fairphone 5? There are lots of choices from Motorola and OnePlus but I know nothing about them. (Well I remember the old Moto up to Y2k.) Not sure where to buy them.

Re: LineageOS 23

#46
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

are you able to do any banking your phone?

(Lineage user here) I've had no trouble with Schwab, USAA, Discover, Amex, Mercury, PayPal, Venmo, or Stripe. Phone is rooted with Magisk Hide and MicroG for spoofing google play services. Google Wallet does not work.

Google Wallet also doesn't work on Graphene OS.

I just looked into this and in the US there's basically no technical answer that I'd expect to be reliable.

You've got a few choices:

* magsafe wallet (~$10) without nfc shield with a physical card

* "purewrist" prepaid debit card (would be good for a kid maybe)

* garmin smartwatch that gets linked properly like Google Pay would

If you're in the EU there are a ton more options, specifically "Curve Pay" and possibly "Amex UK".

Very annoying.

Re: LineageOS 23

#47
Note, GrapheneOS seems to have been able to secure partner access to Android early security releases, but this comes with the cost that the source used to make these special "01" builds is private until general availability. This might not be a tradeoff that LineageOS is willing to take; GrapheneOS has provided the option on a recommended opt-in basis.

https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/27068-grapheneos-security-p...

Re: LineageOS 23

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post #43

It's great to see Android TV mentioned. Has anyone managed to build a freedom-respecting TV box with Lineage? This is a much needed alternative to "smart" TVs and streaming boxes filled with spyware and arbitrary restrictions.

This!

Looks like LineageOS supports various iterations of the Nvidia Shield device. What I'm wondering is whether this new Catapult launcher is compatible with Android TV that comes with off the shelf Smart TVs. I've grown accustomed to the default screen on my current TV's in-built Google TV (not Android TV, although I'm not totally sure of the difference), but it does enforce at least one additional click to get to the actual functions I, and the family, use it for.

Gonna check out Catapult right now.

Edited to add note: It looks as if the latest Nvidia Shield device requires soldering a USB port onto the mainboard of the device[0]. That probably excludes a decent percentage of people who may otherwise be happy software hacking a device.

[0]: https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/sif/install/#usb-port-ins...

Re: LineageOS 23

#49

Note, GrapheneOS seems to have been able to secure partner access to Android early security releases, but this comes with the cost that the source used to make these special "01" builds is private until general availability. This might not be a tradeoff that LineageOS is willing to take; GrapheneOS has provided the option on a recommended opt-in basis. https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/27068-grapheneos-security-p...

Yeah, yesterday I got a pop-up post-update that explained the situation and asked me if I wanted the closed source blobs.

Re: LineageOS 23

#50

Over recent user privacy (and security) crackdowns from Google, these OS upgrades seem to be becoming more appealing. Can anyone comment on what differs Lineage from something like GrapheneOS?

Security & Privacy: GrapheneOS

Freedom & Features: LineageOS

That is not to say you have no freedom or extra features with Graphene, or no security with Lineage, it’s just what either project has very clearly as main target.

I do miss some features since switching to GrapheneOS (customizable on screen nav, volume rocker for cursor control), but I’m very happy with stuff like sandboxed google play services.

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