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After Elon Musk launched the 'Cancel Netflix' Campaign, Netflix shares down 2.2%

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We've excluded trans women from somewhere they don't pose a threat, forcing them into spaces where they are under considerable threat.

Also imposing a significant threat on cis women who don’t look sufficiently conventionally feminine for the transphobes’ tastes, tbh.

Not really though. This is about female and male, not feminine and masculine.

Like for example, women in prison won't have any problem if they don't look stereotypically feminine. But they certainly are under significant threat if male prisoners are locked up with them.

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But that report misses the point that women's rights to single-sex spaces is about boundaries, consent and protection from male presence in intimate settings. By only surveying "transgender experiences" it's basically just ignoring women who object to this and implying that women's boundaries and consent don't matter. Looking at crime statistics won't capture the discomfort and intimidation that many women will exper…

> women's rights to single-sex spaces is about boundaries, consent and protection I agree that these are important things, and there's a discussion to be had about it. There's an argument for some safe spaces such as women's refuges having some kind of biological criteria. But I think the Supreme Court ruling is too broadly sweeping and I have doubts that it's a net positive. This is slightly derailing from topic tho…

I see the Supreme Court ruling as striking just about the right balance in law. It affirms single-sex spaces as actually being single-sex, and confirms that both sex and "gender reassignment" are protected characteristics in the Equality Act. So sex-based rights are upheld and at the same time there are protections against discrimination for the trans-identified.

As an example of how this should work going forward: a male work colleague who decides to start calling himself a woman and putting "she/her" in his email signature and so on can't be discriminated against because of this, which is fair. But also his female colleagues can be assured he has no right to start barging in on the women's toilets or changing rooms, which is also fair.

Back on the topic of boycotting Netflix, I personally think it's an overreaction. The whole gender identity ideological system sits somewhere between ludicrous and sexist, depending on exactly which beliefs someone takes from it, but there's loads of other shows on Netflix that are also ludicrous and also sexist. I feel it's an opportunity for critique of these ideas, rather than a blanket boycott of the whole platform.

That said, I wouldn't want my child to start believing this nonsense when she gets older but it feels like a fad that's on its way out. I don't think it'll be a problem. I'm more concerned about all the other misogynistic messaging that shows no sign of disappearing any time soon.

Re: After Elon Musk launched the 'Cancel Netflix' Campaign, Netflix shares down 2.2%

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> women's rights to single-sex spaces is about boundaries, consent and protection I agree that these are important things, and there's a discussion to be had about it. There's an argument for some safe spaces such as women's refuges having some kind of biological criteria. But I think the Supreme Court ruling is too broadly sweeping and I have doubts that it's a net positive. This is slightly derailing from topic tho…

I see the Supreme Court ruling as striking just about the right balance in law. It affirms single-sex spaces as actually being single-sex, and confirms that both sex and "gender reassignment" are protected characteristics in the Equality Act. So sex-based rights are upheld and at the same time there are protections against discrimination for the trans-identified. As an example of how this should work going forward: a…

> his female colleagues can be assured he has no right to start barging in on the women's toilets

What if they've fully committed to the process and undergone gender reassignment surgery, hormone therapy etc... Should that change anything in your view? At that point it's clearly more than just labelling themselves.

> I wouldn't want my child to start believing this nonsense when she gets older but it feels like a fad that's on its way out.

Transsexuality is a fad? Hasn't it existed in some form or another throughout all human culture and history?

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Also imposing a significant threat on cis women who don’t look sufficiently conventionally feminine for the transphobes’ tastes, tbh.

Not really though. This is about female and male, not feminine and masculine. Like for example, women in prison won't have any problem if they don't look stereotypically feminine. But they certainly are under significant threat if male prisoners are locked up with them.

Since the ruling there have been reports of cis men and women being challenged in the toilets - in some cases harrassed - because they don't "look" right. See e.g. https://transactual.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Trans-Segregat...

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I see the Supreme Court ruling as striking just about the right balance in law. It affirms single-sex spaces as actually being single-sex, and confirms that both sex and "gender reassignment" are protected characteristics in the Equality Act. So sex-based rights are upheld and at the same time there are protections against discrimination for the trans-identified. As an example of how this should work going forward: a…

> his female colleagues can be assured he has no right to start barging in on the women's toilets What if they've fully committed to the process and undergone gender reassignment surgery, hormone therapy etc... Should that change anything in your view? At that point it's clearly more than just labelling themselves. > I wouldn't want my child to start believing this nonsense when she gets older but it feels like a fad…

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Re: After Elon Musk launched the 'Cancel Netflix' Campaign, Netflix shares down 2.2%

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Not really though. This is about female and male, not feminine and masculine. Like for example, women in prison won't have any problem if they don't look stereotypically feminine. But they certainly are under significant threat if male prisoners are locked up with them.

Since the ruling there have been reports of cis men and women being challenged in the toilets - in some cases harrassed - because they don't "look" right. See e.g. https://transactual.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Trans-Segregat...

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