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Datastar: Lightweight hypermedia framework for building interactive web apps

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Re: Datastar: Lightweight hypermedia framework for building interactive web apps

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I have no problem with anyone charging what they would like, but I do think it should be mentioned on the homepage. It feels intentionally left off which makes me think the developers themselves aren't 100% comfortable with the model.

Yes, it feels scammy. Like you, I've no problem paying for software if it seems worth it. I've payed a few times for Highcharts (different companies) and I did gladly and without hesitation, it also feels that they're being honest about their business model.

This feels incredibly unfair and harsh and is completely unfounded. What's the scam here?

Re: Datastar: Lightweight hypermedia framework for building interactive web apps

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As ive said in many other comments - YOU DO NOT NEED PRO. The devs are very adamant about this - even aggressively so. 99% of apps will work just fine with the free library. Pro is for some bells and whistles, or just to support people who have invested many thousands of hours into making a genuinely innovative framework, and given it away

OK, then this approach will needlessly discourage adoption AND consume way more resources than it brings in. Under this structure the team needs to deliver the highest level of quality to the smallest paying audience without community support. Further, enterprise is very hesitant to pay for this as a product but are way more receptive to paying for support. Everyone would be much better served without a tiered free/p…

If an enterprise won't want to pay for the product, what makes you think they're more likely pay for support?

If you're implying they'll only pay when they've seen the value of the product, then the non-pro part of the framework is incredibly feature-rich and can easily do that.

Re: Datastar: Lightweight hypermedia framework for building interactive web apps

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Having followed Data-* from its beginning, it's now fascinating seeing how these threads play out. The troll-y takes from those who took one brief look at the front-page and felt compelled to tear it down in their own 'worthy, hot-take'.

Like T3, the critiques usually compare to JS stacks or how non-HTML it looks(!). It just doesn't make sense to them, so... "I know what I must do, instead of looking into this more, make sure I have a fuller picture of this thing, HN NEEDS to know now".

You have every right, of course. But you undermine yourselves as soon as you post - you clearly have not taken any time to understand where it came from, why it is what it is. Your responses are not, say, genuine questions for clarification or helpful critiques. For the most part they are straight out judgements: 'This is just wrong'.

Of course in your minds the front-page MUST provide you all that in under 30secs, yes? Like, the 'hidden', 'real cost' is ON ANOTHER PAGE?! - instead of reading the reasoning behind it and why YOU won't need it.

You don't need to immediately post here - you are not really looking for answers, are you? You could've just read the website and history of Data- for that?

To all the 'clarfiers' here like Delaney, Anders, nchmy, and others, thank you for the comments refuting most of this stuff, it must be tiring.

All the best, An old, grumpy, ex-HyperCard 'programmer'. *You don't need to validate your comment by reply to this, many comments here are valid and you know it.

Re: Datastar: Lightweight hypermedia framework for building interactive web apps

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Why? What is at stake?

Basic decency of being upfront about your business model, and in general being upfront and not being deceitful in life. Anyways, constructively, they should add a usual pricing page with a nav for that at the top of the landing page. It makes it clear that something is priced, right on the landing page. In the pricing page the cards better make the costs super clear.

I'm confused. Datastar is a free open source framework that you can choose to use or not.

It's weird to call them out as indecent and deceitful for not actively marketing features that they really don't think you need. Even when you think you need it, they've actively encouraged people to analyze their problems to identify if it's a real need or a gap in hypermedia fundamentals knowledge.

Also, the top nav has a Pro page that has what you're looking for.

Re: Datastar: Lightweight hypermedia framework for building interactive web apps

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>This is not only well documented Please, I'm begging you to share this "well documented" fact that most frontend frameworks barely "handle" on the simplest of sites.

Certainly! Here's a good start (React is the main focus, but it extends to many other frameworks) https://infrequently.org/2024/11/if-not-react-then-what/ (there's MUCH more at this site as well) https://www.zachleat.com/web/react-criticism/

The HN comments for that first one gave us the worst "advice" that this site has ever seen and might ever see [1]:

> Nothing that is visible "below the fold" should ever run or load until the page is scrolled down by the site visitor.

The commenter septupled down and eventually blamed trolls :D

1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42285326

Re: Datastar: Lightweight hypermedia framework for building interactive web apps

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Is there a good Datastar tutorial creating a small project that shows off Datastar's strengths and how the DX feels like? I saw the game of life and checkbox examples but I've never used Clojure

datastar is backend agnostic - you generate the html however you want.

you can check out this repo if you want to see a simple golang implementation. https://github.com/zangster300/northstar

And all of the sdks have some simple examples. https://github.com/starfederation

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Can you please not post in the flamewar style to HN? We're trying for something different here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html You can always make your substantive points thoughtfully, so please do that instead. Edit: two things I realized after posting the above: (1) you're the project creator! well, I can understand how anyone would react negatively given the critical things some commenters have b…

happy to abide, didn't read the guidelines so sorry about that @dang. yes it's quite interesting that we are getting slammed for making plugins in a way that literally any user has access to do own their own. hackernews is a wild ride for sure!

Re: Datastar: Lightweight hypermedia framework for building interactive web apps

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Not sure why the community is being so hostile like use phoenix or it charges or its hostile Like no its not. This is a genuinely cool project and most parts of it is open source and it can run on any language and its interesting that they are looking at a way so that they can fund the development of it in the process as well Its their project and they are the only ones entitled to really push things the way they wan…

> Not sure why the community is being so hostile I cannot speak for other people, but here is where I'm coming from: - There is no mention of Pro on the home page, I only found out about Pro after flipping through the documentation. This comes off as sleazy, like "Look at our cool open-source project", and then after they have you hooked they go "oh, if you want all all of it you gotta get Pro". - Pro is locking genu…

congrats, you have described external dependencies
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