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Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Post by Yhatsupuj »

leetharris wrote: post #157
enaaem wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed! I think the Vegas loop has immense potential. There are many ways we can iterate on this concept. Perhaps we can use bigger cars, in a bus like shape to transport more people at once. Or we could remove the batteries to save cost and weight and supply the cars with an external power source. There is immense potential here and I believe this will revolutionise transport.

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People are not anti innovation or anti tehcnology.

People are against bullshit.

We KNOW how to build these type of things. We KNOW what it would cost. We KNOW how to do it right.

Musk had enough money to build something which is worse of everything we already know and dangerous.

You are ignorant and Musk didn't prove shit.

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Post by preisschild »

leetharris wrote: post #77
leakycap wrote: post #3

All this so a handful of passengers a week can wait for the extremely small pool of vehicles in a dusty hole

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Car tunnels are neither "progress" nor "technology" lol

Proper rail-based public transit has existed for centuries and its miles ahead of this.

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Post by HelloMcFly »

ToValueFunfetti wrote: post #171
anigbrowl wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a parody of your comment, which ascribes all environmental regulation to NIMBYs. If you blow a raspberry and someone blows a similar one right back at you, maybe you earned it.

>It's not clear if these violations actually represent a real environmental hazard or are more reflective of NIMBY degrowth sentiment. >it's not clear if you know what environmental regulations are or if you are just shilling for polluting billionaires. This is pretty clearly an escalation beyond what you're describing. e: Because you did already read these lines, I guess I should spell this out: the former says we c…

You did not include the more equivalent quote from the OP in my view:

> The tricky thing about environmental regulations is that they are crafted and utilized by NIMBYs to block any infrastructure development

This doesn't just say we can't trust a datapoint, it starts with a position premised on bad faith motivations for all environmental regulations. Still not totally equivalent, but I don't think the original commenter was exactly being neutral or reasoned in their opening argument.

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Post by chrisfosterelli »

Moomoomoo309 wrote: post #99
testing22321 wrote: post #71

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Have you ridden the existing Vegas tunnel? Tens of thousands of riders when I was there and not a spec of dirt. Very far from perfect, but a long way from useless.

Tens of thousands of riders in what time period? Please, look up how many people it is capable of moving per hour, and compare that to any light rail or street car service in any city. There is no way the loop makes sense to build.

> Please, look up how many people it is capable of moving per hour, and compare that to any light rail or street car service in any city.

I have a hard time understanding this criticism. Why not do both?

It seems to me like underground highways make sense as an alternative to above ground highways in urban areas, not that they're an alternative to rail. There's lots of cities with excellent public transport that also make use of underground car travel (Melbourne for e.g.). If a company can figure out how to (safely) make underground highways more quickly and more affordably, it seems like that means we may need to do above-ground roads less frequently -- why would that not be a good thing?

Further, obviously Musk has a PR angle in facilitating tesla traffic here as the test bed in early days, but I don't see any reason that this couldn't be repurposed to rail use at scale.

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Post by antonvs »

leetharris wrote: post #77
leakycap wrote: post #3

All this so a handful of passengers a week can wait for the extremely small pool of vehicles in a dusty hole

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People laugh at the Boring Company precisely because what is not doing anything meaningfully new, and what it is doing is worse than every other comparable system. There’s no “progress” there that makes any sense.

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Post by mystraline »

If I were to damage the environment like this, I'd be fined millions, and probably jailed as well.

But oh poor Musk (being the richest in the world) has to have his fine reduced.

Fine you say? Cool. That tells everyone that this is just a payment to continue as normal and to include this extra fee.

And that if this crime is a fine, then its only for the lower class.

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Post by preisschild »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #135
enaaem wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed! I think the Vegas loop has immense potential. There are many ways we can iterate on this concept. Perhaps we can use bigger cars, in a bus like shape to transport more people at once. Or we could remove the batteries to save cost and weight and supply the cars with an external power source. There is immense potential here and I believe this will revolutionise transport.

The Boring Company’s mission is in its name. Better boring tools. The Teslas running around inside it are dumb, but that’s almost the point: it’s a PR project. We wouldn’t be talking about it if it were a train. From what I can tell, TBC has failed to revolutionize tunnel-boring machines to date.

But that just shows they didnt really do anything. While european and other companies are building extremely long rail tunnels, this company built a short single-lane car tunnel with LEDs...

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Post by preisschild »

leetharris wrote: post #157
enaaem wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed! I think the Vegas loop has immense potential. There are many ways we can iterate on this concept. Perhaps we can use bigger cars, in a bus like shape to transport more people at once. Or we could remove the batteries to save cost and weight and supply the cars with an external power source. There is immense potential here and I believe this will revolutionise transport.

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Didn't Musk explicitly make up the hyperloop concept, just so that CAHSR doesn't get built?

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Post by cedws »

leakycap wrote: post #3

All this so a handful of passengers a week can wait for the extremely small pool of vehicles in a dusty hole

I just hope there is never a battery fire down there, because there appears to be no evacuation tunnel or safety procedures. I don't think you can even get the car doors open in the tunnel.

Re: Boring Company cited for almost 800 environmental violations in Las Vegas

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Post by antonvs »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #135
enaaem wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed! I think the Vegas loop has immense potential. There are many ways we can iterate on this concept. Perhaps we can use bigger cars, in a bus like shape to transport more people at once. Or we could remove the batteries to save cost and weight and supply the cars with an external power source. There is immense potential here and I believe this will revolutionise transport.

The Boring Company’s mission is in its name. Better boring tools. The Teslas running around inside it are dumb, but that’s almost the point: it’s a PR project. We wouldn’t be talking about it if it were a train. From what I can tell, TBC has failed to revolutionize tunnel-boring machines to date.

> From what I can tell, TBC has failed to revolutionize tunnel-boring machines to date.

Also, if you look at those Vegas tunnels, they’re just wide enough for a single car. Every single subway system in the world has better tunnels than that, and many of them have existed for well over a century.

The BC “mission” seems to be marketing hype that’s not quite as bad as “Mars colony”, but it’s still very far in the future at best.

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