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Re: Datastar: Lightweight hypermedia framework for building interactive web apps

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Post by [deleted] »

nchmy wrote: post #55
xdfgh1112 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I appreciated it. If I'm going to consider a framework I want to know if some of it costs money. Especially like 299usd. Frankly your response seems very hostile and makes me wants to avoid them more.

What a world we're living in - I point out that a hostile comment is hostile, and I'm labeled hostile. Once again, they aren't charging anything. Pay them if you want some largely-unnecessary features, or if you just want to support years of hard work and innovation. That's what I did. But you do you.

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Re: Datastar: Lightweight hypermedia framework for building interactive web apps

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Post by markusw »

afavour wrote: post #56
nchmy wrote: post #52

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I don't understand what point you're trying to make. He shared examples of some immensely dynamic apps that are running on a potato and survived HN, showing that this simplifies things greatly and can scale. Hypermedia-first is a very viable, and simplified, approach.

I think my point is pretty straightforward. Datastar is a front end framework. If any frontend framework can’t survive HN traffic it’s doing something wrong in a truly unholy way. Surviving, or not surviving, a traffic influx is a backend restriction.

It's a frontend framework and a backend SDK in multiple languages, for SSE and more.

Re: Datastar: Lightweight hypermedia framework for building interactive web apps

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Post by speff »

nchmy wrote: post #55
xdfgh1112 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I appreciated it. If I'm going to consider a framework I want to know if some of it costs money. Especially like 299usd. Frankly your response seems very hostile and makes me wants to avoid them more.

What a world we're living in - I point out that a hostile comment is hostile, and I'm labeled hostile. Once again, they aren't charging anything. Pay them if you want some largely-unnecessary features, or if you just want to support years of hard work and innovation. That's what I did. But you do you.

If you're amenable to feedback, the impression I got from your initial comment was "a hostile comment pointing out another hostile comment". It assumed a negative motivation on OOP based on vibes and you ran with it. Even this comment's parting line:

> But you do you.

- seems like a truism. I get the feeling it's meant to be read as "I give up. You can keep whatever wrong viewpoint you have".

Re: Datastar: Lightweight hypermedia framework for building interactive web apps

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Post by cindyllm »

nchmy wrote: post #55
xdfgh1112 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I appreciated it. If I'm going to consider a framework I want to know if some of it costs money. Especially like 299usd. Frankly your response seems very hostile and makes me wants to avoid them more.

What a world we're living in - I point out that a hostile comment is hostile, and I'm labeled hostile. Once again, they aren't charging anything. Pay them if you want some largely-unnecessary features, or if you just want to support years of hard work and innovation. That's what I did. But you do you.

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Re: Datastar: Lightweight hypermedia framework for building interactive web apps

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Post by nchmy »

DrewADesign wrote: post #60
nchmy wrote: post #31

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They're completely comfortable with and unapologetic about the model. And they're not hiding anything.

Ok, so their homepage design unintentionally omits that pertinent information. I’ve wasted a couple of hours installing a FOSS package for a personal project only to find out one of the most heavily presented features was a paid add-in. Even if it’s bad communication design add not intentional, it feels like a salesey bait-and-switch tactic in that situation, and they probably want to know that.

What is it that you think is the most heavily presented feature that is actually behind a paid addin? Because they're quite vocal about the fact that most people should not ever need the pro license... They actively dissuade people from buying it.

Re: Datastar: Lightweight hypermedia framework for building interactive web apps

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Post by andersmurphy »

miroljub wrote: post #57
andersmurphy wrote: post #17

For those of you who don't think Datastar is good enough for realtime/collaborative/multiplayer and/or think you need any of the PRO features. These three demos each run on a 5$ VPS and don't use any of the PRO features. They have all survived the front page of HN. Datastar is a fantastic piece of engineering. - https://checkboxes.andersmurphy.com/ - https://cells.andersmurphy.com/ - https://example.andersmurphy.com/…

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It's global multiplayer, you can see everyone changes simultaneously. There's no client side state for the checkboxes they are all on the server.

Re: Datastar: Lightweight hypermedia framework for building interactive web apps

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Post by hasanhaja »

DrewADesign wrote: post #60
nchmy wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're completely comfortable with and unapologetic about the model. And they're not hiding anything.

Ok, so their homepage design unintentionally omits that pertinent information. I’ve wasted a couple of hours installing a FOSS package for a personal project only to find out one of the most heavily presented features was a paid add-in. Even if it’s bad communication design add not intentional, it feels like a salesey bait-and-switch tactic in that situation, and they probably want to know that.

Which feature are you referring to?

Re: Datastar: Lightweight hypermedia framework for building interactive web apps

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Post by nchmy »

imiric wrote: post #46
mbvisti wrote: post #14

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not sure i think this is a good way to fund their work BUT exploring models to make open-source sustainable for the developers does seem like a good thing, no?

I do think this is the most sustainable approach for monetizing open source projects, as long as the developer is fair about it. That is, truly make features that only large and/or enterprise users would have a use for, and only charge for those, instead of arbitrarily deciding to put core features of the software behind a paywall. In the case of a web framework, that choice is a bit difficult. But if the software is…

This is exactly what is done here. They're emphatic that most will/should never need the pro features.

Re: Datastar: Lightweight hypermedia framework for building interactive web apps

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Post by Unai »

nchmy wrote: post #30
bradly wrote: post #9

It isn't mentioned on the homepage, but Datastar does charge for the following features: data-animate - Animates element attributes over time. data-custom-validity - Adds custom validity to an element. data-on-raf - Runs an expression on every animation frame. data-on-resize - Runs an expression on element resize. data-persist - Persists signals in local storage. data-query-string - Syncs query string params with sig…

What a weird comment. Why bring this up unless you're just trying to make them look bad in a dishonest way? It is clearly documented on the site in multiple places. Moreover, they actively dissuade people from even buying the pro license because they are quite emphatic that most people/sites do not need any of these features. If you do need them, then it's a small price to pay for the functionality, as well as to mak…

I opened my HN client and saw multiple posts at the top of the home page about this datastar thing, with comments like yours either very aggressively defending it or praising it as the best thing since bread.

Did you forget one of those "full disclosure" thingies at the top of your comment?

In any case, I didn't see anything interesting about it, even less so after reading OP's useful comment on the pricing, but even if I did I would never intentionally use or give money to a company that does astroturfing campaigns.

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