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Python 3.14 is here. How fast is it?

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Re: Python 3.14 is here. How fast is it?

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Post by hackernewds »

wiseowise wrote: post #134
nadermx wrote: post #10

Tangential, but I practically owe my life to this guy. He wrote the flask mega tutorial in what I followed religiously to launch my first website. Then right before launch, in the most critical part of my entire application; piping a fragged file in flask. He answered my stackoverflow question, I put his fix live, and the site went viral. Here's the link for posterity's sake https://stackoverflow.com/a/34391304/41802…

> flask Off-topic, but I absolutely loathe new Flask logo. Old one[0] has this vintage, crafty feel. And the new one[1] looks like it was made by a starving high schooler experimenting with WordArt. [0] - https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Flask_lo... [1] - https://flask.palletsprojects.com/en/stable/_images/flask-na...

Love the new one

Re: Python 3.14 is here. How fast is it?

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Post by nessad »

miguelgrinberg wrote: post #34
nadermx wrote: post #10

Tangential, but I practically owe my life to this guy. He wrote the flask mega tutorial in what I followed religiously to launch my first website. Then right before launch, in the most critical part of my entire application; piping a fragged file in flask. He answered my stackoverflow question, I put his fix live, and the site went viral. Here's the link for posterity's sake https://stackoverflow.com/a/34391304/41802…

You have made my day, sir. :)

I also want to chime in and say how you changed my life. I did the same Flask megatutorial and that led me to leaving helpdesk and becoming a support engineer. Years later, and I'm now in big tech. Thanks Miguel!

Re: Python 3.14 is here. How fast is it?

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Post by hackernewds »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #186
wiseowise wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> flask Off-topic, but I absolutely loathe new Flask logo. Old one[0] has this vintage, crafty feel. And the new one[1] looks like it was made by a starving high schooler experimenting with WordArt. [0] - https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Flask_lo... [1] - https://flask.palletsprojects.com/en/stable/_images/flask-na...

I didn't know that they have the new logo before reading your comment. Been 2 years since I last searched flask but yeah the old logo was vintage and I also preferred the old logo and the new logo feels mid/sucks. The old logo is much better.

Old logo is impossible to resize and present on any assets that aren't rectangular. Flask isn't a country podunk restaurant

Re: Python 3.14 is here. How fast is it?

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Post by Stratoscope »

parlortricks wrote: post #174
wiseowise wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> flask Off-topic, but I absolutely loathe new Flask logo. Old one[0] has this vintage, crafty feel. And the new one[1] looks like it was made by a starving high schooler experimenting with WordArt. [0] - https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Flask_lo... [1] - https://flask.palletsprojects.com/en/stable/_images/flask-na...

yikes, that is not a great logo. it has also lost its essence

In fact, when I saw the new logo, the first thing that came to my mind was Brigadier General Jack D. Ripper in Dr. Strangelove saying "I deny them my essence."

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Post by foresto »

wiseowise wrote: post #134
nadermx wrote: post #10

Tangential, but I practically owe my life to this guy. He wrote the flask mega tutorial in what I followed religiously to launch my first website. Then right before launch, in the most critical part of my entire application; piping a fragged file in flask. He answered my stackoverflow question, I put his fix live, and the site went viral. Here's the link for posterity's sake https://stackoverflow.com/a/34391304/41802…

> flask Off-topic, but I absolutely loathe new Flask logo. Old one[0] has this vintage, crafty feel. And the new one[1] looks like it was made by a starving high schooler experimenting with WordArt. [0] - https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/Flask_lo... [1] - https://flask.palletsprojects.com/en/stable/_images/flask-na...

The old logo would seem at home on a shelf of classic O'Reilly books. :)

Re: Python 3.14 is here. How fast is it?

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Post by nadermx »

svieira wrote: post #15
nadermx wrote: post #10

Tangential, but I practically owe my life to this guy. He wrote the flask mega tutorial in what I followed religiously to launch my first website. Then right before launch, in the most critical part of my entire application; piping a fragged file in flask. He answered my stackoverflow question, I put his fix live, and the site went viral. Here's the link for posterity's sake https://stackoverflow.com/a/34391304/41802…

Nice story! My guess is that the site was https://yout.com/ given your profile. Does it still run Flask?

It's all grown up now. Runs on Django for the admin panel. Not that flask ever failed. Just became easier to manage the user base that way.

Re: Python 3.14 is here. How fast is it?

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Post by morganherlocker »

semiinfinitely wrote: post #88
modeless wrote: post #38

What are the reasons why nobody uses pypy?

because it turns out that optimizing performance of a programming language designed for use-cases where runtime performance doesn't matter ... doesn't matter

There's currently talk of adding gigawatts of data center capacity to the grid just for use cases where python dominates development. While a lot of that will be compiled into optimized kernels on CPU or GPU, it only takes a little bit of 1000x slower code to add up to a significant chunk of processing time at training or inference time.

Re: Python 3.14 is here. How fast is it?

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Post by IshKebab »

pdonis wrote: post #128
IshKebab wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree - Jupyter notebook is really the key feature Python has that makes it attractive for research/scientific computing. I would say the REPL too but until very recently it was extremely shoddy so I doubt many people did any serious work in it.

> I would say the REPL too but until very recently it was extremely shoddy Can you elaborate? I've been using the Python REPL for more than two decades now, and I've never found it to be "shoddy". Indeed, in pretty much every Python project I work on, one of the first features I add for development is a standard way to load a REPL with all of the objects that the code works with set up properly, so I can inspect them…

Very obvious example - you can't paste code containing blank lines.

Another example: navigating this history is done line by line instead of using whole inputs.

It's just bare minimum effort - probably gnu readline piped directly into the interpreter or something.

I think they did improve it a lot very recently by importing the REPL from some other Python interpreter but I haven't upgraded to use that version yet so I don't know how good it is now.

Re: Python 3.14 is here. How fast is it?

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Post by gsibble »

anaccount342 wrote: post #197

I don't know how realistic only using a benchmark that only uses tight loops and integer operations. Something with hashmaps and strings more realistically represents everyday cpu code in python; most python users offload numeric code to external calls.

Or have it run some super common use case like a FastAPI endpoint or a numpy calculation. Yes, they are not all python, but it's what most people use Python for.
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