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Dark patterns: Buying a Bahncard at Deutsche Bahn

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Re: Dark patterns: Buying a Bahncard at Deutsche Bahn

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, I have a hard time holding back my sarcasm when writing while being annoyed, I thought the link to the 1.2 trust pilot rating gave it away. As this was mostly written as anger management, the writing is pretty poor. :)

Don't worry, some of us got it. That part made me chuckle.

Yes, plus the rest of the article makes it clear this link was done in sarcasm.

Re: Dark patterns: Buying a Bahncard at Deutsche Bahn

#22
post #6

Once, long ago, I ended up buying the wrong ticket from Deutsche Bahn. I no longer remember whether this was my fault or theirs, but I do remember that support was completely unhelpful. My credit card provider was considerably more helpful when I solved the problem with a chargeback.

I once bought the wrong ticket, got checked, and the staff told me I had to leave the train at the next station. The ticket I purchased was actually more expensive than the "SuperSparPreis" for the correct ticket. So, I ended up paying more and twice for this journey.

Re: Dark patterns: Buying a Bahncard at Deutsche Bahn

#23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recall I was once on a Deutsche Bahn train, it was delayed more than an hour (not that I cared I wasn't in a rush). One worker came around handing out envelopes, since everyone was entitled to a partial refund, I had to sign it, and then mail it back to them? What the fuck? Not even Hitler would've allowed this

This was fixed just a couple of years ago. (Not the delays, but at least the refund process was streamlined.)

Does a worker now hand out envelopes filled with cash?

Re: Dark patterns: Buying a Bahncard at Deutsche Bahn

#24
post #19

So many subscription-based things in Germany are outright scams that would be criminal elsewhere. Mobile phone contracts, internet service contracts principally among them. Two year contracts that auto renew and can only be cancelled in small windows a long time before auto-renew.

> and can only be cancelled in small windows a long time before auto-renew

any examples?

Re: Dark patterns: Buying a Bahncard at Deutsche Bahn

#25

And people think the government has their best interests in mind.

Ironically, the folks here that have made experience with the state operated railway (Deutsche Bundesbahn) back when it existed (until 1993) say mostly positive things, especially compared to today. The modern German railway is a combination of both the state and a private company. So we get a for-profit monopoly that's ripping you off but also gets subsidized by the state. The worst of both worlds. This model of kin…

I think it has less to do with the corporate structure and more to do with the cumulative effects of decades of neglected investments

Re: Dark patterns: Buying a Bahncard at Deutsche Bahn

#26
post #17
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every cent counts. What is wrong is that this behaviour is being perpetrated by an organisation that one would not expect to see it. Edit: Every 500 euros count… “ Today is about dark patterns that cost me 500€ for nothing.”

When they owe you money, they refuse to pay up if it's less than 4€: https://preview.redd.it/danke-db-es-geht-mir-nicht-um-die-3-... However, if I try to explain to them I cannot purchase tickets costing less than 4€ for reasons I simply keep to myself like they do, they hit me with a 60€ fee.

Every 3.99€ counts… It sucks. Last time I had similar dispute with IRS :)

Re: Dark patterns: Buying a Bahncard at Deutsche Bahn

#27
post #6

Once, long ago, I ended up buying the wrong ticket from Deutsche Bahn. I no longer remember whether this was my fault or theirs, but I do remember that support was completely unhelpful. My credit card provider was considerably more helpful when I solved the problem with a chargeback.

I once bought the wrong ticket, got checked, and the staff told me I had to leave the train at the next station. The ticket I purchased was actually more expensive than the "SuperSparPreis" for the correct ticket. So, I ended up paying more and twice for this journey.

This is the type of staff that can easily be replaced by computers.

Re: Dark patterns: Buying a Bahncard at Deutsche Bahn

#28
post #17
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every cent counts. What is wrong is that this behaviour is being perpetrated by an organisation that one would not expect to see it. Edit: Every 500 euros count… “ Today is about dark patterns that cost me 500€ for nothing.”

When they owe you money, they refuse to pay up if it's less than 4€: https://preview.redd.it/danke-db-es-geht-mir-nicht-um-die-3-... However, if I try to explain to them I cannot purchase tickets costing less than 4€ for reasons I simply keep to myself like they do, they hit me with a 60€ fee.

Can complain to your local MEP about that. They updated the passenger rights regulation recently, but still kept this/

Regulation (EU) 2021/782

> Railway undertakings may introduce a minimum threshold under which payments for compensation will not be paid. This threshold shall not exceed EUR 4 per ticket.

Sadly the MEPs cared more about railway companies than passengers.

Re: Dark patterns: Buying a Bahncard at Deutsche Bahn

#30
post #19

So many subscription-based things in Germany are outright scams that would be criminal elsewhere. Mobile phone contracts, internet service contracts principally among them. Two year contracts that auto renew and can only be cancelled in small windows a long time before auto-renew.

> Two year contracts that auto renew and can only be cancelled in small windows a long time before auto-renew.

This is not the case anymore due to an EU law. It can only renew for 1 month at a time after the 24 months now.

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