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Re: Figure 03, our 3rd generation humanoid robot

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What does your life around your house look like when you can shamelessly leave a mess everywhere? It almost makes the uncomfortable with the amount of laziness it enables. At least with a human maid you still feel shame leaving a mess, but a robot?

Should I feel bad to use a dishwasher or a washing machine? Also one of the chores I hate doing the most is folding clothes. If I could have a machine that does it well every time, I'd buy it.

It's an interesting thought. How much not obviously connected stuff relies on the discipline that (for example) doing mundane tasks effectively/regularly asks from us, to not start breaking down in ways we really would not like?

It's us, flesh blobs. Long after we cover everything in AI and robots around us, we will not change easily. Societal drift is slow, genetic drift is slower.

(For the record: Gimme my robot, but interesting thought nonetheless)

Re: Figure 03, our 3rd generation humanoid robot

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Building the robot itself is hard enough - but it was never the hardest part.

The thing to watch out for is: deployments. How many units are they pushing and to who. What kind of tasks can those robots accomplish well enough to warrant actually using them. How hard is it to adapt those robots to deployments. How that changes over time.

The hardest problem of creating a universal robot is, and always has been, AI. If Figure can deliver sharp, highly adaptive, easy to use AI? High generalization, good performance on a diverse range of tasks and in many environments out of the box? Then they have a killer product.

And a proxy to track that is reports of how many robots they deploy and to who. If they start shipping to small companies and deploying to high uncertainty spatially complex fields like construction or maintenance? If you start seeing robots unloading trucks and restocking shelves at a small town Walmart, unannounced? Big.

Re: Figure 03, our 3rd generation humanoid robot

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To me one of the best metrics for capability and design of these kinds of machines is the extent in which their manufacturer makes use of them in their manufacturing process.

That tells me that the design is amenable to aftermarket service and maintenance and that the machines are capable of participating in relatively sophisticated manufacturing processes.

A graph with one line representing the number of hours of physical labour by humans per unit produced with another line representing number of hours of physical 'labour' by these robots per unit produced would be interesting to look at.

The intersection point between those two lines and the point where human input drops to zero are key points in humanity.

Re: Figure 03, our 3rd generation humanoid robot

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Maybe it's just me, but everything about this announcement feels very I, Robot... and not in a good way. > allowing the entire fleet to upload terabytes of data for continuous learning and improvement Ugh. Edit: Yes, I meant I, Robot the film. U.S. Robotics and the like.

Yeah tech companies have a weird fixation on using dystopian literature as their entire branding playbook

Re: Figure 03, our 3rd generation humanoid robot

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What does your life around your house look like when you can shamelessly leave a mess everywhere? It almost makes the uncomfortable with the amount of laziness it enables. At least with a human maid you still feel shame leaving a mess, but a robot?

Im willing to bet 95% of American homes have a pile of laundry they would very much like a robot to wash, dry, fold, and put away while they go to their jobs during the week so they can have more free time on the weekends

Re: Figure 03, our 3rd generation humanoid robot

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> Charging coils in the robot’s feet allow it to simply step onto a wireless stand and charge at 2 kW.

This is silly. Wireless charging is inefficient and costly compared to cables but we use it for the convenience of humans, to avoid the annoyance of having to plug something in repeatedly. Obviously a humanoid robot should simply plug in its own cable! No human need be inconvenienced. Wireless charging has no benefit here at all.

> Each fingertip sensor can detect forces as small as three grams of pressure - sensitive enough to register the weight of a paperclip resting on your finger

Three grams would be a very heavy paperclip. I have seen several types of touch sensor and while the technology is impressive I don't think any of them are durable enough for real use. Even human skin doesn't rely on durability alone. Healing is critical. But healing is infeasible for robots so instead we need to design repairable, replaceable, disposable, ideally recyclable parts, especially for the fingers that touch everything. This hand looks monolithic and not repairable.

All that said, I'm looking forward to seeing if their claims about cost and manufacturing volume pan out. Those are the things that matter the most right now, along with reliability. We need large numbers of robots operating continuously in the world to collect the data that will enable us to train robot AI. Right now there's basically only one or two companies with scaled humanoid production (for a very loose definition of "scaled") and they are in China. I'm rooting for anyone who can manufacture robots outside of China.

Re: Figure 03, our 3rd generation humanoid robot

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Building the robot itself is hard enough - but it was never the hardest part. The thing to watch out for is: deployments. How many units are they pushing and to who. What kind of tasks can those robots accomplish well enough to warrant actually using them. How hard is it to adapt those robots to deployments. How that changes over time. The hardest problem of creating a universal robot is, and always has been, AI. If…

I think the glossy 7min trailer has it about right: The first realistic deployments will be champagne holders at parties and robots at hotel receptions. Novelty toys for the wealthy.

Commoditization and Walmart-level deployments at scale are still a few gens off.

Re: Figure 03, our 3rd generation humanoid robot

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What does your life around your house look like when you can shamelessly leave a mess everywhere? It almost makes the uncomfortable with the amount of laziness it enables. At least with a human maid you still feel shame leaving a mess, but a robot?

Why are you fixated on laziness and shame when it comes to tedious household tasks?

Why is it so important to you that people fold their own clothes and wash their own dishes?

Why do you idolize a life of increased drudgery?

Re: Figure 03, our 3rd generation humanoid robot

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I don't understand why this even has to charge at all. It makes sense for multiple reasons to give it 3 batteries that say have 1/3 of the capacity, and make at least 1, if not 2 or 3 capable of charging independently on a station.

Then the robot would just go to its station and swap its own batteries. Why even have wireless charging at all? Or even a cable? Or even have it "charge"? Battery swapping seems to make way more sense here. Am I missing something?

Bonus points if the robot has data on the degradation and can order its own replacement batteries, take them out of the box, and ship the old ones to a recycling facility...

More bonus points if the charging station is actually outside under a 1KW solar array pergola thing, that way you don't even have to pay for the electricity either. Don't worry, the robot will lock the door when it goes out to grab its batteries. It'll also bring in the whole setup if the weather isn't great.

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