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A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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post #150

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Follow the money.

Agreed, try to figure out how I benefit in any way from Codesmith's decline. Not theoretical, but hard facts. I know of THREE people that considered going to Codesmith and went to Formation instead. One of them I tried very hard to convince to go to Codesmith and she instead got a job on her own and then came to Formation. All of this for three customers? It doesn't add up and there are some missing pieces in the sto…

I know of THREE people

Well That Settles It. /sarcasm

P.S. - quit saying there are some missing pieces in the story until you are going to fill in the rest of the story. You keep saying it, and you are pegging to 11 the bullshit meter of people (like me) who never heard of you or your company (which I won't get near with a 10m pole next time training budget is on the table) or the companies you clearly tried targeted.

P.P.S. - Get a media consultant. Seriously, you suck at this.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Pretty shocking that someone whose business is being actively attacked on a subreddit, one that is not only relevant to them but is one of the biggest drivers of student interest and a major recruiting tool, has no recourse in this situation. A lot of people mentioning the legal angle don’t realize what a nightmare that kind of litigation would be. It’s frankly outrageous that Reddit doesn’t take the time to investig…

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Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

#253
post #150

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Follow the money.

I don't think I've ever seen this phrase used about a conspiracy that actually happened. It always just ends up that they misread something. Especially in politics, casual observers assume everything is about money (especially shadowy "corporations") but politicians are almost always legitimately ideological, which is actually worse!

Would love to read some examples! The most offensive things I know about that spring to mind have all been about either money or saving face.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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I'm Michael and this was about me. This person never reached out for comment and is missing half the story. I'm happy to fill people in on the rest if this person or someone else wants to hear. I agree with one or two of the characterizations but the majority I don't and there is a lot more to this story than it seems... RE: INDUSTRY. Rithm School (their main competitor) shut down. Hack Reactor is down to single digi…

You’re trying to defend yourself, but you still can’t stop yourself from casting shade on Codesmith multiple times in this very comment.

You have just proved that Lars is spot on with his analysis that you are an obsessive stalker.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

#255
post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Follow the money.

Agreed, try to figure out how I benefit in any way from Codesmith's decline. Not theoretical, but hard facts. I know of THREE people that considered going to Codesmith and went to Formation instead. One of them I tried very hard to convince to go to Codesmith and she instead got a job on her own and then came to Formation. All of this for three customers? It doesn't add up and there are some missing pieces in the sto…

Here’s why i think you do it— it’s because if Codesmith can do what it says it does, which it clearly can from everything I see, and which would make them a direct competitor to Formation, then you and Formation benefit by either, a) talking them out of Codesmith indirectly by bashing Codesmith relentlessly on reddit and creating a haze of doubt, or more likely maybe— b) you create self doubt for Codesmith grads so that they’ll then feel like they need Formation somehow. In other words, your near daily posts on reddit help turn Codesmith grads in a sales funnel for formation. Either way, it’s gross behavior.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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post #217

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These days, all the results that AREN'T from reddit are AI slop.

And according to TFA, the AI slop results are also from Reddit!

It's slop all the way down.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

#257
post #119

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Yes, the mod stopped posting publicly around the time she went to prison. That seems to have been the catalyst for the conspiracy theory. But it was actually a couple days apart; he stopped posting before she went to prison. And he actually posted to some private subs, and was involved in some DMs, after he stopped posting publicly and after she went to prison. There's really very little evidence other than a vague c…

>It's basically just completely incoherent. Like many conspiracy theories, These are absurdly strong claims. This isn't an incoherent theory... it's inconclusive, sure. Unprovable? Probably (difficult to imagine what would have to change to find out with certainty one way or the other).

It's incoherent. It simply makes no sense at all that Ghislaine Maxwell, a wealthy socialite, would post a bunch of stuff on Reddit for years to accumulate meaningless internet points, under something based on her own name, while somehow also trying to be anonymous.

This is a simply incoherent theory. There's no sense in it. You don't post "anonymously" under your own name.

This goes into far more detail on the individual claims from the original conspiracy theory: https://coagulopath.com/ghislaine-maxwell-does-not-have-a-se...

But it really doesn't take this much detail to realize that this conspiracy theory is incoherent, at a surface level it just makes no sense at all.

The entirety of the "evidence" is standard conspiracy stuff, of making vague generalizations, bad interpretations, cherry picking data, etc.

I can't believe people are this gullible.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

#258
post #92

This whole thing feels like a neat encapsulated example of how horrible the "Internet" has become. A bad actor with vested interest taking over a part of a website (Reddit) that is then used as a source of record (Google, LLMs), and bam, completely fabricated overviews of a brand/company are now all you see when you use the predominant search engine, because there are no alternatives. All of this for what? Shareholde…

Most people have only interacted with a late stage of the internet already sewed up into walled gardens.

I don't know if it will work but it would be nice to show folks what the alternatives might be, examples of your ideal internet, instead of insult a generation of folks who don't know what a forum or a bulletin board or a blogroll is.

The stuff you miss is still out there. You can do good by sharing it with those who don't know what they are missing.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

#259
post #84

I don't know about this particular case, but, generally... bad actor subreddit moderators have been an occasional thing for well over a decade. And it's also been widely known for that long that Reddit is an influential venue in which to take over a corner -- for marketing or propaganda. What's an equal concern to me is how insufficiently resilient Reddit collectively appears to be, in face of this. A bad actor mod o…

> And it's also been widely known for that long that Reddit is an influential venue in which to take over a corner -- for marketing or propaganda.

Capturing moderation of a subreddit has long been a strategy of marketing agencies.

Even when they can’t take over the actual mod positions, they’ll shower the mods with free product and make them feel like a VIP. I watched this happen from inside one company and I couldn’t believe how easily the marketing team turned a mod into our biggest advocate by sending free products to them from time to time.

> A bad actor mod of a popular subreddit can persist for years, visibly, without people managing either to oust the mod, or to take down the sub's influence.

In some of the subreddits I followed, the remaining subreddit users felt some relationship with the mods over time and felt they were on the same side. There are subreddits like /r/nootropics where many users don’t realize the mod team has been captured by a supplement company (Nootropics Depot) and that they have a history of deleting some posts critical of Nootropics Depot. You would think this would be grounds for a subreddit riot, yet whenever I check it feels like everyone there is fans of Nootropics Depot and therefore they get a pass. Note that the quality of the science discussed on /r/nootropics is generally terrible and of very poor quality in recent years, which is certainly a related factor. It’s also not hard to find comments in other subreddits from people who were banned from /r/nootropics.

I think this happens across a lot of subreddits. Moderators find reasons to ban the dissenters and shape the conversation until the hive mind consensus favors the mods, so any issues aren’t discussed. People who object are banned for different reasons and minor infractions, then get tired of Reddit and move on. What remains is captured by companies pushing their products to an audience who thinks the mods are doing them a favor.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

#260

I'm Michael and this was about me. This person never reached out for comment and is missing half the story. I'm happy to fill people in on the rest if this person or someone else wants to hear. I agree with one or two of the characterizations but the majority I don't and there is a lot more to this story than it seems... RE: INDUSTRY. Rithm School (their main competitor) shut down. Hack Reactor is down to single digi…

Even if codesmith _was_ objectively bad, I am still wondering _why_ do you spend _so much time_ shittalking that company on every fucking occasion? Reddit, HN, LinkedIn. You are putting way too much energy into that, way more than the average person would objectively care. Makes me wonder.

a judge would def consider the extreme nature that’s occurred here. the number of posts is astounding, and the SEO damage could be monetarily accounted for.
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