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A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by toomuchtodo »

analog8374 wrote: post #72
dang wrote: post #60

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You aren't banned.

But you could. And you wouldn't even need a reason. In fact, you could ban AND make the whole conversation disappear. And nobody would ever know. That's a problem.

It’s not a problem, you are owned nothing by participating in an online forum. Your participation is a privilege, not a right. You are free to participate elsewhere.

HN moderates mostly transparently, which they do not have to do at all. That demonstrates respect for their participants, or ideals, your pick.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by typewithrhythm »

analog8374 wrote: post #61
UltraSane wrote: post #10

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Reddit moderation is also completely broken. Mods can ban anyone for any reason and do ban people for very stupid reasons with absolutely no recourse. It is so bad I have completely stopped posting on Reddit.

Is it any different here? Is this not the standard setup for all forums and considered perfectly right and normal?

It's the anonymity and odd changes in who is moderating that makes it feel different. Standard setup to me would be consistently opinionated person, or team with some central directive (and hopefully oversight).

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by Braxton1980 »

treyd wrote: post #63
blindriver wrote: post #18

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You're proving my point. At least in the US half of the country is right wing. If you want an accurate crowd-sourced opinion you need to take that into account, regardless of your own beliefs.

It's possible for the majority opinion to be wrong and contradict hard facts that are grounded in reality. For a couple thousand of years the opinion was that the universe was composed of 4-5 elements (earth, water, air, fire, and maybe ether).

During those thousands of years was there information showing the majority was incorrect?

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by neilv »

I don't know about this particular case, but, generally... bad actor subreddit moderators have been an occasional thing for well over a decade.

And it's also been widely known for that long that Reddit is an influential venue in which to take over a corner -- for marketing or propaganda.

What's an equal concern to me is how insufficiently resilient Reddit collectively appears to be, in face of this.

A bad actor mod of a popular subreddit can persist for years, visibly, without people managing either to oust the mod, or to take down the sub's influence.

(Subreddit peasants sometimes migrate to a new sub over bad mods, but the old sub usually remains, still with a healthy brand. And still with a lot of members, who (speculating) maybe don't want to possibly miss out on something in the bad old sub, or didn't know what's going on, or the drama they noticed in their feed wasn't worth their effort to do the clicks to unjoin from the sub in question.)

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by bakugo »

michaelnovati wrote: post #28

I'm Michael and this was about me. This person never reached out for comment and is missing half the story. I'm happy to fill people in on the rest if this person or someone else wants to hear. I agree with one or two of the characterizations but the majority I don't and there is a lot more to this story than it seems... RE: INDUSTRY. Rithm School (their main competitor) shut down. Hack Reactor is down to single digi…

> Both sides of the story need to be heard before making a judgement.

Your side begins and ends at being a reddit moderator for an industry subreddit while working in said industry as a CTO. Anything you say or do in this position should rightfully be assumed to be biased.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by ctippett »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #58
michaelnovati wrote: post #28

I'm Michael and this was about me. This person never reached out for comment and is missing half the story. I'm happy to fill people in on the rest if this person or someone else wants to hear. I agree with one or two of the characterizations but the majority I don't and there is a lot more to this story than it seems... RE: INDUSTRY. Rithm School (their main competitor) shut down. Hack Reactor is down to single digi…

Hello. It's nice to be able to interact directly with the subject of the article, so thanks for coming on. It's a shame you're being downvoted, because it would definitely be interesting to hear your perspective. This can't be a pleasant experience for you. I have a couple of questions for you. Firstly the article really didn't hold back about you in a way that you don't usually see. But he makes very specific and ve…

This is a wonderfully mature and constructive comment.

I appreciate this is off-topic, but I really wanted to highlight/praise what you'd written. It came across to me as very "HN" and the guidelines appear to corroborate this...

> Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by MichaelZuo »

irjustin wrote: post #40
x0x0 wrote: post #26

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Reddit was knowingly ruined by google. Once google pushed reddit to the top of search results, they created massive incentives to game reddit and fill it with disguised advertising and/or slop.

> Reddit was knowingly ruined by google. Once google pushed reddit to the top of search results Ehhhhh I agree and yet also disagree (it's fun though). Yes they were ruined by being promoted by algo changes, but do I blame google directly? For me, no. It's exactly as we stated before, it's because it was so trustworthy. Individual people's personal experience with X or Y many times with good details. That earned a lo…

So then why haven’t the higher credibility people in each niche set up an alternative?

Why let reddit drag down the credibility of well everyone in their niche by association. Even if it’s only a tiny bit per year, that adds up over time.

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Post by SilverElfin »

michaelnovati wrote: post #28

I'm Michael and this was about me. This person never reached out for comment and is missing half the story. I'm happy to fill people in on the rest if this person or someone else wants to hear. I agree with one or two of the characterizations but the majority I don't and there is a lot more to this story than it seems... RE: INDUSTRY. Rithm School (their main competitor) shut down. Hack Reactor is down to single digi…

Are you planning to write something up about it? It would be interesting to hear the other side that you’re hinting at.

It’s also not clear to me if the person who wrote this article was paid for it or if they’re somehow affiliated with someone involved. It says they’re a “Fractional VP of Content”. I’m curious if you know more.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by randycupertino »

frumplestlatz wrote: post #78
randycupertino wrote: post #70

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Two other recent examples: 1. The singer D4vd is sole mod of his fan subdeddit and deletes every post about the the dead body recently found in the trunk of his Tesla: https://www.tvfandomlounge.com/singer-d4vd-apparently-deleti... 2. Influencer Paige Lorenze is a mod of nycinfluencer snark and she prolifically deletes all unflattering threads and specifically all photos of her from before her numerous plastic surger…

I’m curious why you know about these cases off-hand. I have the impression that there’s a certain type of user that likes to be a gadfly in communities to devoted to not particularly relevant or famous personalities.

I saw the article about D4vd when it was popular enough to hit the front page- https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comments/1nnlqan/singer_d4vd_...

The criminal case is an open investigation and also has been in the news lately: https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/details-emerge-homicide-...

My significant other follows influencers thus I heard about the Paige Lorenze controversy/lore.

I wouldn't say either of them is "not particularly relevant" as D4vd is super popular among GenZ on tiktok and has 30 million listeners and 4 million followers. Paige isn't as big but she is a well-known WAG dating some tennis bro and has a successful clothing brand that sells to the genZ crowd.

Re: A competitor crippled a $23.5M bootcamp by becoming a Reddit moderator

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Post by lenkite »

Braxton1980 wrote: post #73
UltraSane wrote: post #10

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Reddit moderation is also completely broken. Mods can ban anyone for any reason and do ban people for very stupid reasons with absolutely no recourse. It is so bad I have completely stopped posting on Reddit.

>Mods can ban anyone for any reason Yes, they can and that's how it's set up. Each community makes their own rules and can choose who participates. It's not Reddit. It's the sub that made the decision and I'm not sure how it would be possible for Reddit the company to deal with sub level rule complaints and appeals.

Sure, but there are really NO RULES. And frankly they can do whatever they want as long as they use only a UUID for the forum name.

If one is squatting on a valuable forum name, then the moderators should be themselves subject to a standard enforced by Reddit.

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