I wonder why the article used old versions of React and Svelte? It is using React 17 and Svelte 3.
And Blazor
Svelte’s characteristics that likely contribute most to improved performance
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Re: Svelte’s characteristics that likely contribute most to improved performance
#92As someone who has been doing frontend dev since "AJAX" was the hot new stuff... I am deeply, deeply disappointed in the field. It simultaneously has an extremely high rate of churn and an extremely low rate of actual innovation. After observing the discipline for nearly two decades, I am concluding that almost all the "progress" really starts to look like we're just rearranging the furniture endlessly without substa…
Things have been stable for a while now. We haven't had actual churn in years.
But given that there has not actually been progress either, my guess is that this is a temporary situation.
Either way, Svelte is one of those things that promise some real progress. Not one of the things that have the same amount of problems, but in a different configuration.
Re: Svelte’s characteristics that likely contribute most to improved performance
#93Is this AI? How is Blazor a JS framework, let alone a popular one? Also no Solid.js?
The article is a bit old but I don't think that it was AI, like, no offense but like before AI mania no one would have ever thought that calling blazor js framework would've discredited everything the author wrote by three words
Is this AI?
Fun fact just asked chatgpt, and even chatgpt says that blazor is not js framework, so the fact that author did say makes it prove that it was just a mistake and not some AI thing but you can't always be sure of these things
It said to my question, is blazor a js framework?
Good question — no, Blazor is not a JavaScript framework.
Here’s a clear breakdown
What Blazor Actually Is
Blazor is a .NET-based web framework created by Microsoft that lets you build client-side and server-side web apps using C# and Razor, instead of JavaScript.
It runs on top of .NET runtime — not on a JavaScript engine like React, Angular, or Vue do.
Pasting the link to it here https://chatgpt.com/c/68e6d1ed-9030-8322-82fa-84267f8d20c5
Offtopic but why is my chatgpt being so sycophantic, I thought that they had reverted out the update which was causing the sycophancy but I am tired of this dumb LLM praising me, I am starting to dread the first sentence of chatgpt because of it saying good point or anything bruh.
Re: Svelte’s characteristics that likely contribute most to improved performance
#94The fact this is already outdated by more recent Svelte releases which changed things drastically is exactly my problem with the modern JS space. So fast moving and most of it is still doing JQuery like reactivity. I am probably just not smart enough to get it, but it reminds me of the constant seemingly pointless rewrites I see in companies. Figure out what works and keep it, is that so hard? Why can other languages…
Speed of development and community support is a much better experience in the web space which I think coincides with why there's enough free time and resources around to generate "n new JS frameworks a week". compose and swiftUI, for instance, emerged with component based architecture patterns much later than what was already considered standard in modern web dev.
Compose also uses the elm architecture no?
That idea actually turned out to work well so others adopted it. Meanwhile in the web ecosystem elm is basically no more and react has changed enough that it's barely recognizable anymore.
Re: Svelte’s characteristics that likely contribute most to improved performance
#95The fact this is already outdated by more recent Svelte releases which changed things drastically is exactly my problem with the modern JS space. So fast moving and most of it is still doing JQuery like reactivity. I am probably just not smart enough to get it, but it reminds me of the constant seemingly pointless rewrites I see in companies. Figure out what works and keep it, is that so hard? Why can other languages…
ReactJS is pretty consistent since last 5 years and probably won't be changing for next 5 years.
Are you ignoring signals? Signals are a pretty huge evolution.
Re: Svelte’s characteristics that likely contribute most to improved performance
#96I'm so sick of these performance benchmarks. I understand it's easy to spin them up to show that one framework is faster than another, but in general all these frameworks are fast enough for 99.9% of use cases. Where frameworks lack today, in my opinion, are in providing the right tools further optimize the UX of interacting with web sites. It's a constant struggle of loading spinners and flicker and loss of scroll p…
IMO, we desperately need standards or tooling to make frameworks easier to swap out and interoperate. Web Components was supposed to be this, but it's not quite there yet and requires awkward wrappers around everything. No framework will stand the test of time. I encourage everyone to, at the very least, own your state and router libraries, as you'll be able to extend them when you want to jump ship in a more increme…
At this point just ditch the browser and instead have a browser with html css and lua, maybe that will help the world (satire but I genuinely want the world to somehow move to this if it ever becomes popular)
Would this make me a bad guy if I tried but couldn't find the link? oof. wait for sometime so that I see the list of my github stars because its hidden somewhere in there...
Edit: found it! https://github.com/outpoot/gurted
Here's a video as well which I found later through the github username and some yt searches later
Re: Svelte’s characteristics that likely contribute most to improved performance
#97The fact this is already outdated by more recent Svelte releases which changed things drastically is exactly my problem with the modern JS space. So fast moving and most of it is still doing JQuery like reactivity. I am probably just not smart enough to get it, but it reminds me of the constant seemingly pointless rewrites I see in companies. Figure out what works and keep it, is that so hard? Why can other languages…
Svelte was pretty much stable between 2019-2024, of all the frameworks it probably changed the least. It's only with the recently released Svelte 5 version that things changed a bit.
You have a point but you're giving Svelte unfair criticism here.
Re: Svelte’s characteristics that likely contribute most to improved performance
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
> when I ask why they do SSR What are the reasons for not doing SSR?
want the whole point of Javascript to use client side manipulation? Is it's come back to SSR, then do we need all the JS baggage?
Its a division of responsibilities thing isnt it? "Proper coders" in python or whatever provide up to an API. Past that its basically the web devs domain and they live in JS land
Re: Svelte’s characteristics that likely contribute most to improved performance
#99Svelte is definitely still my favorite way to build web apps in 2025. I wasn't (and still am not) the biggest fan of the new Runes syntax, but I've gotten used to it, and it doesn't really hurt my productivity or get in my way that much. There's definitely an ecosystem gap compared to React, but there are still lots of really good components and frameworks out there. For example, there's a native Svelte version of IB…
You might be happy to hear that we're releasing a new version of the Svelte Society website to make it easier to find packages and other resources. We're currently migrating data and fixing bugs but if you want to give it a whirl you can find it here https://prod.sveltesociety.dev until we switch it over to the root domain.
Re: Svelte’s characteristics that likely contribute most to improved performance
#100Svelte is definitely still my favorite way to build web apps in 2025. I wasn't (and still am not) the biggest fan of the new Runes syntax, but I've gotten used to it, and it doesn't really hurt my productivity or get in my way that much. There's definitely an ecosystem gap compared to React, but there are still lots of really good components and frameworks out there. For example, there's a native Svelte version of IB…
Of note - Svelte publishes documents specifically intended for LLM consumption, https://svelte.dev/docs/llms Making my LLM aware of these documents significantly mitigated issues I had with adopting Svelte 5 syntax.
There's also the new MCP that helps LLMs fix their own errors, give it a whirl: https://svelte.dev/docs/mcp/overview