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Re: SEC approves Texas Stock Exchange, first new US integrated exchange in decades

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I know this sub thread kicked off with snark about regional grids. That said, TXSE will be located in Dallas, a T5 datacenter city. Why can't it be MORE reliable than XNYS/XNAS?

Because the powers that be in Texas will siphon off funding to make things work better to fund their own projects. "Should we winterize our power grid" Nah, it's Texas where it doesn't get that cold for that long. Should we implement a warning system in an area that is historically known for being prone to flash flooding? Nah, it doesn't happen that often and we have other things to spend money on instead.

I wasn't looking for conspiracies and disconnected facts (i.e., flash flood through a rural, summer camp).

Dallas was a T5 datacenter hub before Uri in 2021 and did well during the storm because they were designed to service level guarantees [0].

It's also silly to claim that TXSE's performance is disconnected from serious TX investors.

[0] https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/analysis/how-data-cent...

Re: SEC approves Texas Stock Exchange, first new US integrated exchange in decades

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I always wonder why an economic powerhouse like California or Washington doesn't have its own stock exchange. Maybe it is the strict regulation that makes it not viable?

The LTSE is headquartered in San Francisco.

Re: SEC approves Texas Stock Exchange, first new US integrated exchange in decades

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IEX tried this to much fanfare. Turns out most participants don’t particularly care about that as a motivating factor.

I'd say IEX has done remarkably well - it's not likely to displace NASDAQ or NYSE but it has solidified its place as the #3 US exchange by any reasonable measure. If TXSE achieves comparable market share I'd call that a wild success. You're not wrong to say that most participants don't care about what IEX offers, but enough do to make a meaningful dent in trading volume.

> #3 US exchange by any reasonable measure

According to their stats, they are usually around 3% of the market:

https://iextrading.com/stats/

Re: SEC approves Texas Stock Exchange, first new US integrated exchange in decades

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All true. Texas worker environment is not great though. Folks typically list income tax as an advantage but property and sales taxes more than make up the difference. Also, govt admin is fairly hostile to any infrastructure expansion, preferring to let the local car dealers buy new town charters with no infrastructure. Environmental regs are not well managed generally. Anyhow, not the worst state, not the best. Prett…

Higher property taxes and low income taxes is preferable actually, it keeps the housing market from getting massively distorted.

Ideally you're correct - but it does have the very large side effect of making real estate fraud much more lucrative. This isn't to say that the potential of people breaking a law means we shouldn't have the law at all - but higher property taxes necessitate a much large spend into property value auditors and require a lot more stringency around property improvement permitting to ensure that increases in property value are captured and recorded accurately.

Re: SEC approves Texas Stock Exchange, first new US integrated exchange in decades

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Elon has way less influence than say Peter Thiel, so this is a huge exaggeration to be honest

Which exchange do you think SpaceX will be listed? And why is it the TXSE?

SpaceX is unlikely to be listed anywhere any time soon.

Re: SEC approves Texas Stock Exchange, first new US integrated exchange in decades

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That’s what always surprises me when folks bring this up. Nobody in the market cares. Institutional investor experience some of the lowest trading cost in history. These complaints are most often coming from retail traders where again I don’t follow the argument. Instead of some guy on the floor picking up dollars with have machines picking up pennies. This is a win for everyone.

Nobody in the market cares because everyone in the market are cheaters. There is a huge untapped potential of people outside the current market that do not participate because they know the market is rigged against them. A fair market could be huge, but the trick is keeping it fair. It used to be more fair, and we used to have a healthier economy because of it. It’s not like most of the unfairness in the current mark…

> Most HFT strategies are not only blatantly dishonest but also clearly illegal.

What specific strategies are you referring to? Genuinely curious.

Re: SEC approves Texas Stock Exchange, first new US integrated exchange in decades

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When you can buy a Governor, you buy a Governor. When you can buy a State, you buy a State. When you can buy a SCOTUS Justice, you buy a SCOTUS Justice or 6. When you can buy a POTUS, you buy a POTUS. Elon bought them all and many of you cheer. Says more about you than Elon but speaks mountains about the core of our culture and our national ethos but mostly about how easy it is to pervert people and their false ideol…

Show your work. I don't see that Musk has as much influence as people like George Soros and Rupert Murdoch.

Re: SEC approves Texas Stock Exchange, first new US integrated exchange in decades

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Relevancy to the question raised above, aside, that's a bad article headline as it doesn't match the contents. SEC Chair says they are going to hunt crooks more aggressively, but won't leverage dawn raids as much to chase technical violations.

> SEC set to see hundreds leave through buyout, retirement offers https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/21/sec-buyouts-retirem... > US SEC buyouts hit legal, investment divisions hardest, data shows https://www.reuters.com/business/world-at-work/secs-legal-in... > SEC Formally Withdraws Fourteen Rule Proposals https://www.proskauer.com/alert/sec-withdraws-fourteen-rule-... The actions generally do not seem to match t…

Going up-thread, here's the original claim under contention:

>> will be to not be overseen by the SEC in some important capacity.

Your articles don't dispute this.

As for whether oversight will be "weaker" and more de-regulated, maybe.

1. There's a headcount reduction. At worst, there's a quote that some really experienced watchdogs are out the door. Hard to tell until we get outcomes.

2. As for withdrawal of proposals, look closer.

> Although most observers doubted that the current Commission would adopt these proposals

Which makes it sound like the proposals were just withdrawn for later submittal and new discussion. Footnote #1 goes into how this isn't really unprecedented, citing similar withdrawals (or resets) under the Biden admin.

Re: SEC approves Texas Stock Exchange, first new US integrated exchange in decades

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> I would assume TXSE would want quick access to that order flow Perhaps Texas could use a different trading model that doesn't require ultra high speed trading. Matt Levine often mulls the idea of a system with a trading window that doesn't let the fastest connection to the order book win. Perhaps an order book that works at human speeds so humans can trade too (I can think of a few ways to do it - but would need mo…

Bit of an aside, but I really do not understand the concerns with trading speed. I can trade at human speed now: when I want to make a trade, I put in the order and it gets executed. Speed elsewhere in the market makes it easier , not harder, for me to trade when I want to. And I don’t care who my counterparty is; that’s a fundamental feature of a stock exchange. If A is always faster than B because A is 2 racks clos…

>How does that hurt me?

Because lit orders get front run. Every sophisticated participant/algo is exceptionally efficient at extracting money from less sophisticated participants.

As someone who trades decent volume but doesn't have a fully institutional grade workflow, I have the fortune of dealing with this...

Simple lit orders (posting an order directly to an exchange) will be taking advantage of by both market makers, by HFTs, and by smarter execution algorithms. The algorithms running the bids and asks will widen spreads. Sell orders will peg to one cent below your ask, and if flows start to reverse, they will pull their liquidity and the slower participants get their liquidity swept through (adverse selection).

The next step up is to use something like a midpoint algorithm or hidden order, but hidden orders will be pinged with one share from the robots and you will get sniffed out and positioned against. If they detect size in a midpoint algorithm, the liquidity in the opposite direction will evaporate, and they will "walk" the dumb midpoint algorithm down, take the liquidity, and then reset the mid back to where it was. The list goes on. It's generally an awful environment for "regular" participants.

Moving on from simple improvements available to the more advanced retail space like midpoint algorithms and VWAP algorithms, you have algo routes that are explicitly designed to take advantage of the "lesser" order types. If they are in a position to get a fair fill, they will rest the order in case they see a situation they can take advantage of, and only take mid fill if the outlook deteriorates (this is all millisecond time frame stuff, but the orders will be worked in an automated fashion throughout the day - time frame is configurable).

On the more developed institutional side, liquidity is sourced in dark venues designed to ward off HFTs and front-running, or sourced in fair flash-auctions which are again designed to ward off hfts and information leakage from the auction spawner.

So the argument would be that perhaps the modern developments like batched flash auctions should just be the new baseline, and designed so that all of the participants feeding into them get an equivalent quality of fill.

These "phenomena" are fairly significant. Let's say you have a 100k position in a smaller cap stock. You may move the stock down a few percent if you start walking down your order and it becomes clear that you are looking to take liquidity. Vs 100k in one of the more advanced order routes where you're basically going to get filled near mid. And of course it goes without saying that 100k won't even move the needle in the institutional routes.

For a while I got so sick of it that if I was looking to buy back my short options (the same things happen in the option space, but with more slippage), I would stuff a basic midpoint algorithm on the underlying, it would be sniffed out and liquidity would evaporate, price would fall, and I'd slam the ask to buy/cover my short calls on the price drop. At least I could get a fair fill when I played two different areas of the market complex against each other... It's just a pain. To the average participant, they will find that liquidity is there when it suits the counterparty, yet not there when they need it.

NBBO/best bid offer itself can be illusory. There are many situations where if you sweep the bid, you will get a fair fill, but I'd you just hit the bid price, you will essentially take off the very small front order of an iceberg order, they will run their calculations, and the liquidity pegs a cent below you if it suits them. That's how it works.

This goes for all areas of the financial market, including the bond market itself, and it contributes to systemic fragility in addition to harvesting retail money.

Granted, almost no retail participant is actually shipping orders directly to exchanges like I laid out. They are going to payment for order flow routes. These are actually fairly efficient, but again, remember that if you are posting a bid or ask, exchanges pay you (yes, you actually net money, albeit small) to post these orders, and anyone feeding into PFOF routes is getting this income taken from them. The frontrunning risk in the payment for order flow routes is also much more severe, since your order is getting blasted out in all directions before it is posted. So when those sorts of routes go wrong for retail traders (ex making the mistake of posting a large order during a major market event), they're could catastrophically get screwed.

It's also worth noting that retail does have access to a relatively Fair auction system though. Open and closing auctions are probably the best ways to fill orders. Just be careful not to ship too much size into them since a large enough net imbalance (say in a small cap stock) in a closing auction will have the same "walk down the price" effect that happens with midpoint orders.

Personally I think that the institutional flash auctions are pretty neat. For my understanding this sort of liquidity sourcing is growing. I would think that this sort of functionality could be regulated and integrated into the base level market venues.

Re: SEC approves Texas Stock Exchange, first new US integrated exchange in decades

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the powers that be in Texas will siphon off funding to make things work better to fund their own projects. "Should we winterize our power grid" Nah, it's Texas where it doesn't get that cold for that long. Should we implement a warning system in an area that is historically known for being prone to flash flooding? Nah, it doesn't happen that often and we have other things to spend money on instead.

I wasn't looking for conspiracies and disconnected facts (i.e., flash flood through a rural, summer camp). Dallas was a T5 datacenter hub before Uri in 2021 and did well during the storm because they were designed to service level guarantees [0]. It's also silly to claim that TXSE's performance is disconnected from serious TX investors. [0] https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/analysis/how-data-cent...

What conspiracies? These are actual things that happened delivered as a sarcastic dialog that goes to show how the government in Texas behaves. Also, I never claimed anything about investors of TXSE. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter where an SE's data centers are located. They will all need redundancy plans. If you think Texas is a better location than other sites, then you have to focus on what have historically been issues for Texas. If you depend on the state's government doing things other than lining their pockets or at least the favorite pet project's coffers, then you are prone for failing. Those unwilling to study history are doomed to repeat it
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