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Re: User ban controversy reveals Bluesky’s decentralized aspiration isn’t reality

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Post by HollowVoice »

astrange wrote: post #98
greekrich92 wrote: post #3

The founder has been posting through it, Elon-style and with as much cringe. It's disappointing because I've mostly been able to replicate my Twitter experience there. It's better actually, because more funny people moved and fewer journalists so it's less of a doomscroll.

"Posting through it" is a fairly nonsensical concept. It implies you're required to agree with people yelling at you, which you aren't. Bluesky in particular has this problem because it inherited a kind of leftist crustpunk poster from 2016 Twitter. They had a weird affect where they hated "nerds" for some reason and pretended to be those jock bully characters from 80s high school movies. The modern Bluesky form has…

Neckbeards, neckbeards whatcha gonna do?

Whatcha gonna do when we come for you?

Re: User ban controversy reveals Bluesky’s decentralized aspiration isn’t reality

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Post by jrm4 »

TMWNN wrote: post #215
jrm4 wrote: post #141

Mastodon is the right model. I keep saying this and I keep being surprised that it isn't more obvious to most. It's the right model because it's essentially the same model as email. Yes, there is TONS of "human" work to be done to change people's minds on this, but STRUCTURALLY it's the only one that can handle things correctly. I always found what Bluesky was "optimizing" for to be a stupid goal, and inherently a ba…

>Mastodon is the right model. I keep saying this and I keep being surprised that it isn't more obvious to most. It's the right model because it's essentially the same model as email. Yes, there is TONS of "human" work to be done to change people's minds on this, but STRUCTURALLY it's the only one that can handle things correctly. How is this meltdown at Mastadon not the exact same thing as what we're discussing here…

Because Bluesky actively sells itself on the whole "take your stuff with you thing?"

At least with Masto, you know the possibility of being shutdown if you don't trust your provider, which is the same as email?

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Post by sigmar »

LeroyRaz wrote: post #276

I don't understand how the removing of right wing users is described as a necessary good to create a safe and inclusive space, while the removal of left wing users is decried as censorship. If you dismiss people who have genuine concerns about things as bigoted, you yourself are being bigoted! It is as though people don't understand the definition of the word.

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Re: User ban controversy reveals Bluesky’s decentralized aspiration isn’t reality

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Post by rdtsc »

incompatible wrote: post #220
rdtsc wrote: post #31

> But not everyone is looking forward to the idea: “I’d go back to Usenet before I went back to Mastodon,” wrote Bluesky user Count Von Horse Knuckler. “I do not need people yelling at me for not putting cat pictures behind trigger warnings or unwanted Linux advice.” Cat pictures need a trigger warning? Wonder what the triggering effect is there? I can see Linux advice though: kill, mount, etc.

They seem to be saying that they don't know how to use Mastodon.

I guess? They just seemed to reference some story or situation I am not familiar with

Re: User ban controversy reveals Bluesky’s decentralized aspiration isn’t reality

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Post by jrm4 »

mpalmer wrote: post #265
jrm4 wrote: post #141

Mastodon is the right model. I keep saying this and I keep being surprised that it isn't more obvious to most. It's the right model because it's essentially the same model as email. Yes, there is TONS of "human" work to be done to change people's minds on this, but STRUCTURALLY it's the only one that can handle things correctly. I always found what Bluesky was "optimizing" for to be a stupid goal, and inherently a ba…

> I keep saying this and I keep being surprised that it isn't more obvious to most. Well I read your explanation, and it's still not obvious. Nor do I appreciate the implication that anyone who disagrees with you is missing something obvious. Not the best choice, rhetorically.

Meh. Handle a little spiciness and participate in the actual topic of discussion, or don't.

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Post by astrange »

bobsmooth wrote: post #275
greekrich92 wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slurs for AI? Maybe take to heart the idea that the Humanities are useful in that you don't end up having thoughts like this if you've studied them.

What is the purpose of calling someone a clanker?

Note this word is actually a one-off joke from Star Wars, but the reason they're saying it is that you can say it with a hard R.

The other words are worse.

Re: User ban controversy reveals Bluesky’s decentralized aspiration isn’t reality

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Post by rdtsc »

viraptor wrote: post #219
rdtsc wrote: post #31

> But not everyone is looking forward to the idea: “I’d go back to Usenet before I went back to Mastodon,” wrote Bluesky user Count Von Horse Knuckler. “I do not need people yelling at me for not putting cat pictures behind trigger warnings or unwanted Linux advice.” Cat pictures need a trigger warning? Wonder what the triggering effect is there? I can see Linux advice though: kill, mount, etc.

> Cat pictures need a trigger warning? https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/hyperbol...

It seems a bit random though. Are mastodon people big on trigger warnings? I never signed up for it. Heck, I never signed up for twitter or bluesky either. For mastodon I considered it, but telling people "ha, ha, I am writing toots" was a little too silly, even for me.

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Post by jrm4 »

bjourne wrote: post #197
jrm4 wrote: post #141

Mastodon is the right model. I keep saying this and I keep being surprised that it isn't more obvious to most. It's the right model because it's essentially the same model as email. Yes, there is TONS of "human" work to be done to change people's minds on this, but STRUCTURALLY it's the only one that can handle things correctly. I always found what Bluesky was "optimizing" for to be a stupid goal, and inherently a ba…

Right, but email is really not all that great, neither on a practical nor technical level. 99.99% of all users doesn't run their own mail server so in practice it is not decentralized. I would guesstimate that 50% or more of all mail traffic is handled by Google, MS, Apple, and a few outer mega corps. And for most people Facebook, Slack, and WhatsApp are way more convenient communication methods than email.

Your criticisms have some validity, but email is in a sense objectively great in that it's the thing that "won."

I believe there's a universe of difference between ONE provider and a few megacorps plus weirdos like me who pay for my own domain; I actually think that would ALSO be a good model for twitter-esque microblogging the way it pretty much works for email.

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Post by Nursie »

apwell23 wrote: post #210
slg wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It always comes back to the userbase. I don't know how many times technologists need to learn the lesson that normal people simply don't care about ideological technical principles like decentralization and often actually prefer the benefits of centralized systems like ease of use and typically stronger moderation. And when it comes to social media, businesses are naturally going to end up prioritizing the desires of…

common people arent really using twitter or bluesky that much anyways. its just the crazies that are on there.

Always was.

It's why I found it so dismaying when we went through years of apparently serious newspapers reporting on every twitter-storm as if it was important. Yes, it was a good if unreliable source of breaking news, but the general noise of people fighting back and forwards about whatever it was that week ... was just noise, among a relatively small group of motivated crazies. Using it as a societal barometer just results in skewed coverage and an emphasis on American social issues that aren't necessarily as relevant everywhere else.

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Post by rdtsc »

diogocp wrote: post #57
rdtsc wrote: post #31

> But not everyone is looking forward to the idea: “I’d go back to Usenet before I went back to Mastodon,” wrote Bluesky user Count Von Horse Knuckler. “I do not need people yelling at me for not putting cat pictures behind trigger warnings or unwanted Linux advice.” Cat pictures need a trigger warning? Wonder what the triggering effect is there? I can see Linux advice though: kill, mount, etc.

> I can see Linux advice though: kill, mount, etc. And cat. Some people are triggered by useless use of cat.

I can see that. I am even guilty of using cat a bit too much.
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