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Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant

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Can someone please characterize the likely political and cultural atmosphere of Canada for the next decade?

If the US continues its current trajectory for a couple more years, will Canada be a welcoming beacon of goodness?

(Obligatory great scene in Handmaid's Tale: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJEjrNB2iTA&t=40s )

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There is no such thing as rights or a constitution in Canada. The government can waive them away with a “notwithstanding” clause and then they can do what they like.

It's the provincial governments of Ontario, Quebec, Alberta and Saskatchewan that have been abusing the notwithstanding clause to further their political (conservative) agendas. The feds have not once reached for it. The career loser Poilievre had threatened to used it as soon as possible had he somehow clawed his way to power.

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Consider this scenario. Your isp emails you that they are terminating your account. You phone gets disconnected. You call them and helpdesk doesnt have a clue why. You try to sign up for new services and they refuse and wont say why. All because a politician has decided it 'reasonable' to disconnect you from the internet; and he can order complete secrecy and there's no judicial oversight. Perhaps you showed up at th…

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National post is a respectable publication more akin to the Wall Street Journal. Canadian Breitbart is probably more like rebel news or epoch times.

At best you could compare them to fox news, but they don't compare favourably even to that. They are admittedly maybe not quite as bad as Breitbart but it's close enough in my opinion.

What is a more respected conservative publication in Canada?

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We live in very confusing times. Democratic countries start acting more and more like big brother. Its also concerning to read the quote: “necessary to do so to secure the Canadian telecommunications system against any threat, including that of interference, manipulation, disruption or degradation.” Where Canadian telecommunication is almost a duopoly and had major outage a few years ago without any claims of bad act…

So it has been on the upswing recently but my understanding is that in the US we have been doing pretty much as much surveillance as technology (and also generally the 4th amendment) practically allows since at least WWII, and especially during the Cold War. Many law abiding people opposed to government policy (e.g. civil rights leaders or anti-war activists) have always been surveilled with dubious cause.

This isn't the best wiki article I've ever seen but it has some examples of the US surveillance over the last century. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance_in_the_Unite...

Re: Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant

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We live in very confusing times. Democratic countries start acting more and more like big brother. Its also concerning to read the quote: “necessary to do so to secure the Canadian telecommunications system against any threat, including that of interference, manipulation, disruption or degradation.” Where Canadian telecommunication is almost a duopoly and had major outage a few years ago without any claims of bad act…

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Regulating imported equipment doesn't give you the ability to go back retroactively and say "shit, actually we need you to pull out all the equipment from because it's a security problem". Or the ability to regulate what software updates are applied. And so on and so forth. And the government should have the ability to do that because it is a matter of geopolitics and national security to maintain the independence of…

I'm pretty sure there are already laws that allow the government to deal with devices used for spying. There's no need to introduce this broad-spectrum bill that controls way more than it should. You may have charitable interpretations, but 15.2(2)(d) can be used to effectively ban anyone from accessing the Internet. And it can certainly be used to throttle web services the government doesn't like.

I don't have more charitable interpretations, I have more correct interpretations. The cannons of statutory interpretation are not a matter of charity, they are a matter of how laws are read. 15.2(2)(d) cannot as a matter of law be used to effectively ban anyone from the internet at all.

I do not believe the government currently has the authority to force telecoms to remove suspected compromised equipment. They've tried without a law. Telecoms have resisted, successfully. You're probably right if they only needed to remove devices they could prove were currently being used for spying, but national security demands that they can do that to devices that they merely suspect are compromised, and that fails on both fronts.

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Would this apply to traveller phones roaming on Canadian telco networks? What forms of digital identity could be used to enforce an internet kill switch / blockade for specific humans?

Great thought — see also: StarLinks

I doubt Starlink can somehow bypass Canadian law. It's the countries who rule and enforce the EM spectrum usage on their land, and countries are prepared to go to great extents in enforcing whatever rule they come up with.

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At best you could compare them to fox news, but they don't compare favourably even to that. They are admittedly maybe not quite as bad as Breitbart but it's close enough in my opinion.

What is a more respected conservative publication in Canada?

The globe falls on the conservative side of things. The star is currently in a weird middle ground where it was somewhat left but it is being moved somewhat right by its new owners. CBC is reasonably neutral.

Highly partisan news is generally not respected for good reason though.

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