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#82C11 and this bill makes me think about what situations does the government need this sort of "weaponry"? I think the plausible answer is war.
Is it plausible? I wouldnt give these people the benefit of the doubt. In Canada we also have the emergency powers ... so if we had a war we would already have the "weaponry".
Emergency powers don't give you ability to unwind time and not buy Huawei equipment in the past. This bill appears to almost entirely be about allowing the government to exercise control over the telecommunications supply chain... which is certainly necessary if you want the ability to defend yourself against people who would otherwise be in that supply chain.
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#83I tought that the National Post was exaggerating the severity in their crusade against the Liberal like they frequently do. So I when to read the law and it's as bad as they say: https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/45-1/bill/C-8/first-re... ... Factor Before making the order, the Governor in Council must consider (a) its operational impact on the affected telecommunications service providers; (b) its financial impa…
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I cited this because they are accountable only to the telecommunications cartel. (in Canada telecommunications services are a the facto cartel) The effects of the banishment on the target are not taken into account and there is no compensation possible if this power is wrongly used.
That's why I cited this excerpt.
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#84I tought that the National Post was exaggerating the severity in their crusade against the Liberal like they frequently do. So I when to read the law and it's as bad as they say: https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/45-1/bill/C-8/first-re... ... Factor Before making the order, the Governor in Council must consider (a) its operational impact on the affected telecommunications service providers; (b) its financial impa…
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National post is a respectable publication more akin to the Wall Street Journal.
Canadian Breitbart is probably more like rebel news or epoch times.
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#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
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National post is a respectable publication more akin to the Wall Street Journal. Canadian Breitbart is probably more like rebel news or epoch times.
At best you could compare them to fox news, but they don't compare favourably even to that. They are admittedly maybe not quite as bad as Breitbart but it's close enough in my opinion.
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#87If this was to become an actual law, that could ruin a persons life. what if they depended on the internet infrastructure for their work or profession. They'd literally have to leave Canada.
Not really. Use open and public WiFI with anonymizers, don't post on public social networks to incriminate yourself.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
National post is a respectable publication more akin to the Wall Street Journal. Canadian Breitbart is probably more like rebel news or epoch times.
At best you could compare them to fox news, but they don't compare favourably even to that. They are admittedly maybe not quite as bad as Breitbart but it's close enough in my opinion.
That's a huge exaggeration. National Post is absolutely not more unhinged than Fox News.
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which doesn't even exist.
in America whereas in places like China, it very much exists. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System
Having lived in China since 2008 with a Chinese wife, I can confidently say the "social credit score" system often portrayed in the West is a myth and Western propaganda. What actually exists are standard financial credit scores, similar to those in the US or Europe, used for things like bank loans and mortgages.
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#90I tought that the National Post was exaggerating the severity in their crusade against the Liberal like they frequently do. So I when to read the law and it's as bad as they say: https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/45-1/bill/C-8/first-re... ... Factor Before making the order, the Governor in Council must consider (a) its operational impact on the affected telecommunications service providers; (b) its financial impa…
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nick__m quoted the wrong section, but there's an identical Factors section 15.2(6) that applies to 15.2(2)(d). There's also a non-disclosure clause. The headline is true.
Order
(2) If the Minister believes on reasonable grounds that it is necessary to do so to secure the Canadian telecommunications system against any threat, including that of interference, manipulation, disruption or degradation, the Minister may, by order,
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(d) impose conditions on a telecommunications service provider’s provision of services to a specified person, including a telecommunications service provider;
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Non-disclosure
(5) An order made under subsection (1) or (2) may also include a provision prohibiting the disclosure of its existence, or some or all of its contents, by any person.
Factors
(6) Before making an order under subsection (1) or (2), the Minister must consider
(a) its operational impact on the affected telecommunications service providers;
(b) its financial impact on the affected telecommunications service providers;
(c) its effect on the provision of telecommunications services in Canada; and
(d) any other factor that the Minister considers relevant.
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No compensation
(10) No one is entitled to any compensation from His Majesty in right of Canada for any financial losses resulting from the making of an order under subsection (1) or (2).