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Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant

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Re: Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant

#51

As a middle-aged person voluntarily NOT using email/phone, I cannot even imagine being banned from the internet . How would you function?

Would this apply to traveller phones roaming on Canadian telco networks? What forms of digital identity could be used to enforce an internet kill switch / blockade for specific humans?

Great thought — see also: StarLinks

Re: Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant

#52

The argument made here seems to be that the power to prevent unlawful access or threats is somehow required to keep us all safe. But if someone was an actual threat, do we really think they’d be using the internet with their own identity? Like if someone is willing to hack into a power station or some other critical infrastructure, they’ll be simultaneously stupid enough to use their own credit card? Illegal things a…

Politicians seem to enjoy corruption. It benefits them directly.

They really do hate anyone who points out their hypocrisy or makes fun of them. It challenges their corrupt kickbacks directly.

I think it's easy to make a prediction of actual use cases here.

Re: Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant

#53
We live in very confusing times. Democratic countries start acting more and more like big brother.

Its also concerning to read the quote: “necessary to do so to secure the Canadian telecommunications system against any threat, including that of interference, manipulation, disruption or degradation.”

Where Canadian telecommunication is almost a duopoly and had major outage a few years ago without any claims of bad actors.

Re: Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant

#54
Do you criticize the government too much? You're now a "specified person". Sure, the court may overturn the decision eventually, but for the next 3 years your life is ruined. This is the COVID trucker protest response playbook, now applied to the internet.

If you think but I don't like the COVID truckers, well that's fine for now. Wait until there is something you vehemently disagree with the government about. Freedom of speech must be protected, regardless of how much you like the content or the speaker.

ETA: What might be the justification for censorship in this bill? The telecom network is critical infrastructure. You're spreading mis/dis/mal-information, according to the government. Therefore you are harming the integrity of the telecom network.

Re: Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant

#55
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

in America whereas in places like China, it very much exists. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System

How's the Chinese system different from the American credit score?

Being an asshole doesn't harm your credit score unless it causes financial damages that you don't pay back.

Re: Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant

#58
post #57

Applying for jobs has almost entirely moved online these days. And this is just one of many such things. Does whoever wrote that bill understands that? Or do they just naively think that "it's just time out for people who break the rules".

They want to ruin the lives of those who oppose them. The Canadian Liberal government has previously attempted the same goal by de-banking protestors, in a move that the courts later ruled unconstitutional.

Re: Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant

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> In the House of Commons last week, Anandasangaree, the public safety minister defended Bill C-8 as a means to crack down on hackers and ransomware fraudsters.

> “Malicious cyber-actors are breaching our country’s IT systems, accessing sensitive information and putting lives in danger,” he said.

> Anandasangaree added that “hostile state actors are stealing information and gaining access to systems that are critical to our national security and public safety.”

... and these hostile state actors are doing this from their checks notes home in Ottawa, using a Rogers internet connection they're paying for?

Re: Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant

#60

C11 and this bill makes me think about what situations does the government need this sort of "weaponry"? I think the plausible answer is war.

Is it plausible? I wouldnt give these people the benefit of the doubt. In Canada we also have the emergency powers ... so if we had a war we would already have the "weaponry".
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