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Re: User ban controversy reveals Bluesky’s decentralized aspiration isn’t reality

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Post by lanfeust6 »

ranger_danger wrote: post #2

From what I have seen, the "solution" to moderation troubles in decentralized solutions has mostly always been... more centralization.

Old internet was most decentralized but since the platforms weren't scaling up to ridiculous heights moderation wasn't that big of a deal. It was also "gatekept" in a self-selecting way; now, everyone is online. Conspiracy beliefs have drastically shot up in adoption, through social media exposure.

People always had irrational populist and conspiratorial beliefs, but that was mediated by popular media generally not platforming kooks. Now you have the top 10 podcasts allowing people to mainline validation for conspiracies.

I don't see how centralization helps. Allowing (or demanding) that a media provider to regulate more could lead to less platforming for conspiracy theorists and populists.

Re: User ban controversy reveals Bluesky’s decentralized aspiration isn’t reality

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greekrich92 wrote: post #44
mustache_kimono wrote: post #7

> However, as time has gone by, Bluesky’s traffic has declined (X’s has as well) and some of its users have become increasingly upset at its moderation decisions, including allowing U.S. Vice President J.D. Vance and anti-trans writer Jesse Singal to remain as users of the platform. The problem, if you can call it that, is Singal hasn't broken any of their TOS or guidelines. Right now, AFAICT this is a people with pi…

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Re: User ban controversy reveals Bluesky’s decentralized aspiration isn’t reality

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Post by whistlestop »

greekrich92 wrote: post #44
mustache_kimono wrote: post #7

> However, as time has gone by, Bluesky’s traffic has declined (X’s has as well) and some of its users have become increasingly upset at its moderation decisions, including allowing U.S. Vice President J.D. Vance and anti-trans writer Jesse Singal to remain as users of the platform. The problem, if you can call it that, is Singal hasn't broken any of their TOS or guidelines. Right now, AFAICT this is a people with pi…

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Why do you believe that description applies to Singal? His work is well-researched, grounded and reasonable.

Perhaps his journalistic output conflicts with your beliefs, but that's no reason to cast false aspersions on him.

Re: User ban controversy reveals Bluesky’s decentralized aspiration isn’t reality

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Post by a_shovel »

huhkerrf wrote: post #24
mustache_kimono wrote: post #7

> However, as time has gone by, Bluesky’s traffic has declined (X’s has as well) and some of its users have become increasingly upset at its moderation decisions, including allowing U.S. Vice President J.D. Vance and anti-trans writer Jesse Singal to remain as users of the platform. The problem, if you can call it that, is Singal hasn't broken any of their TOS or guidelines. Right now, AFAICT this is a people with pi…

It's worse than that, as the linked TC article links to an explanation of his ban-worthy views that, if applied to everyone, would lean to a ban of probably 85% of the US. (Purposefully not referencing them here. The question is not whether those views are right, it's whether those are mainstream.) Bluesky has a problem of its user base demanding purity, and it will 100% be the death of it.

You'll need to explain this a little bit more, because the TC article seems to indicate the issue is that he is accused of targeted harassment. I doubt you could design a poll to make people vote 85% in favor of targeted harassment.

Re: User ban controversy reveals Bluesky’s decentralized aspiration isn’t reality

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Post by whistlestop »

mustache_kimono wrote: post #41
chimeracoder wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doxxing people off-platform used to be against the ToS. When people began reporting him for that, Bluesky amended their ToS.

> Doxxing people off-platform used to be against the ToS. When people began reporting him for that, Bluesky amended their ToS. Even by the loosest definition what Singal did was not doxxing? For instance, Alejandra Caraballo, like it or not, is a public figure. A role, I would add, that she has chosen for herself. She testifies before Congress FFS. When she says something in public, including on Bluesky, I'm not sure…

Also Caraballo was the one who was actually harassing and doxxing. Singal was just reporting on it, as any journalist might do.

Re: User ban controversy reveals Bluesky’s decentralized aspiration isn’t reality

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Post by diogocp »

rdtsc wrote: post #31

> But not everyone is looking forward to the idea: “I’d go back to Usenet before I went back to Mastodon,” wrote Bluesky user Count Von Horse Knuckler. “I do not need people yelling at me for not putting cat pictures behind trigger warnings or unwanted Linux advice.” Cat pictures need a trigger warning? Wonder what the triggering effect is there? I can see Linux advice though: kill, mount, etc.

> I can see Linux advice though: kill, mount, etc.

And cat. Some people are triggered by useless use of cat.

Re: User ban controversy reveals Bluesky’s decentralized aspiration isn’t reality

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Post by [deleted] »

AlexandrB wrote: post #33
chimeracoder wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you mean "misandry?" No, OP is being transphobic and referring to trans women as men: > Note that the "banning controversy" is that they're not banning enough people for having entirely mainstream political opinions, and mostly targets journalists. Or let's be more specific: mostly targets people who don't think that men can identify into being victims of misogyny.

While I can't read OP's mind, there is a problem with bad actors abusing pro-trans policies to benefit themselves. One of the most outrageous examples is the literal Nazi[1] who started identifying as female after being sentenced. Some gatekeeping is required here. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3r4zrg35vlo

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