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Microsoft is plugging more holes that let you use Windows 11 without MS account

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Re: Microsoft is plugging more holes that let you use Windows 11 without MS account

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Post by jacobgkau »

WalterBright wrote: post #826
observationist wrote: post #665

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies that cannot run their businesses responsibly at scale should not be allowed to run their business at that scale. If Microsoft can't do it, if Apple, Google, Facebook, X , OpenAI can't do it, then maybe we shouldn't allow companies to operate at scales which inevitably lead to widespread consumer harm. They should be required to provide human customer service, with some sort of legal liability to ensure thei…

The issue is cost. You're going to have to pay considerably more for a computer to have a human ready to help you with it.

Have computer prices gotten considerably cheaper since the days when companies had human support employees? Some components have gotten considerably more expensive, so it seems like they haven't, at least on average.

Re: Microsoft is plugging more holes that let you use Windows 11 without MS account

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Post by beowulfey »

WalterBright wrote: post #829
koakuma-chan wrote: post #704

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Apple has customer service you can call and speak to a person.

Apple computers are more expensive, too.

It's not the computer that Microsoft is selling, it's Windows. It's apples and oranges (no pun intended). Apple doesn't charge for its software and Microsoft has many other products. It's just about how you distribute your costs.

FWIW, Microsoft has a much higher profit margin than Apple.

Re: Microsoft is plugging more holes that let you use Windows 11 without MS account

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Post by bongodongobob »

tavavex wrote: post #767

It's crazy how quickly most of this ramped up. Not that Microsoft hasn't been trying to push abusive but money-making "requirements" down users' throats for decades, but there have always been paths around them for people in the know. Now, they've changed course and are trying to clamp down hard on every little thing that's like this, make their software watertight. It would almost seem desperate if one didn't see ho…

As someone who manages 1000s of windows devices.... Do the damn upgrades. That is why your device has issues. You can have all the moral complaints you want, I get it, but you're just making things more difficult for yourself. Either follow their patching cadence or switch to Linux. You're putting yourself into a purgatory zone that is only making things more janky.

Re: Microsoft is plugging more holes that let you use Windows 11 without MS account

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Post by lamontcg »

bunderbunder wrote: post #814
koakuma-chan wrote: post #704

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple has customer service you can call and speak to a person.

Your Apple tax dollars at work. No, really. They're not perfect, and as time goes on I keep agonizing more and more about whether they're worth the money. But also, I've had some amazing customer support from Apple employees over the years, and I at least have to concede that the money for those people's salaries has to come from somewhere.

We're constantly reminded that "if it is free/cheap, then you're the product", which is more or less a restatement of "you get what you pay for".

Apple charges more, and people lose their absolute shit over that, but then you don't get abused anywhere near as much as Microsoft/Google do to you.

Re: Microsoft is plugging more holes that let you use Windows 11 without MS account

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Post by TheCleric »

mythz wrote: post #300

The best thing to happen to Linux Desktop is Windows 11, with perfect timing too as modern Linux has been a joy to use as a daily driver. Normally I'd be unhappy when a sleazy corp forces me to give up on 25 years of muscle memory of using my preferred OS, but I'm thankful they gave me the push I needed to rip off the ad/spyware laced Windows Band-Aid that I only need to do once in my life. It's been over a year sinc…

Agreed. I used to toy with Linux at home, but now it's my daily driver along with Mac OS.

Re: Microsoft is plugging more holes that let you use Windows 11 without MS account

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Post by domador »

WalterBright wrote: post #826
observationist wrote: post #665

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies that cannot run their businesses responsibly at scale should not be allowed to run their business at that scale. If Microsoft can't do it, if Apple, Google, Facebook, X , OpenAI can't do it, then maybe we shouldn't allow companies to operate at scales which inevitably lead to widespread consumer harm. They should be required to provide human customer service, with some sort of legal liability to ensure thei…

The issue is cost. You're going to have to pay considerably more for a computer to have a human ready to help you with it.

How about giving less profit to the shareholders? How about making customer support legally mandated so companies don't have the "greedy shareholder" excuse?

Re: Microsoft is plugging more holes that let you use Windows 11 without MS account

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Post by Night_Thastus »

dateSISC wrote: post #810
Night_Thastus wrote: post #598

My biggest annoyance is that I specifically bought a Windows 11 license, from the MS store, using my MS account. I did this because I assumed that if something went wrong, I would always be able to recover it. I could never 'lose' the key if it was tied to my account. Well unfortunately, MS screwed me. When I upgraded my PC I was apparently supposed to transfer the license before deleting the old PC from my account.…

the license is tied to your account in theory, if you log in with it, it should get activated?

I wish it worked like that! Sadly, it does not. That's why I was using a MS account login instead of a local username/password - I thought that it would be 'automatic'. No such luck.

Re: Microsoft is plugging more holes that let you use Windows 11 without MS account

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Post by jeltz »

b_e_n_t_o_n wrote: post #804
observationist wrote: post #665

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies that cannot run their businesses responsibly at scale should not be allowed to run their business at that scale. If Microsoft can't do it, if Apple, Google, Facebook, X , OpenAI can't do it, then maybe we shouldn't allow companies to operate at scales which inevitably lead to widespread consumer harm. They should be required to provide human customer service, with some sort of legal liability to ensure thei…

How can the government regulate companies into providing good customer service when they can't even provide good customer service to their citizens?

For the most part customer service is excellent from Swedish government agencies. There are exceptions with either poorly run or intentionally refunded agencies where it is not the case but usually the quality of customer service is excellent.

Re: Microsoft is plugging more holes that let you use Windows 11 without MS account

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Post by bastardoperator »

Night_Thastus wrote: post #598

My biggest annoyance is that I specifically bought a Windows 11 license, from the MS store, using my MS account. I did this because I assumed that if something went wrong, I would always be able to recover it. I could never 'lose' the key if it was tied to my account. Well unfortunately, MS screwed me. When I upgraded my PC I was apparently supposed to transfer the license before deleting the old PC from my account.…

I've been using groupon to get licenses for about 10-15 bucks.

Re: Microsoft is plugging more holes that let you use Windows 11 without MS account

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Post by sellmesoap »

xtiansimon wrote: post #528
xela79 wrote: post #520

So I just figured out a workaround that actually works! At least until Microsoft puts out a new Windows installer that fixes this, here's what you can do: First, make sure you unplug your ethernet cable or turn off WiFi before you start installing Windows. This way your computer isn't connected to the internet during setup. When you get to that screen where it's asking you to sign in with a Microsoft account (you kno…

Hopefully Rufis will have a solution as well. https://rufus.ie/en/

This is my favorite solution, I always name the user "online account" because I love irony
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